Goodbye Small Gas Engines after 2024 - Cali Ban

[mlm]

It hasn't ceased to be the case where our rural property is located. The dirt roads are privately owned and (not) maintained.

Are you suggesting most public roads are paid for by the communities that use them? Otherwise I'm not sure why you replied. Of course there are roads (especially private) that are maintained by property owners. I'm just pointing out that most people who think they live independent from the rest of society don't realize how dependent they really are.

edit: And just to be clear, I am generally supportive of INVESTING in rural infrastructure to promote (sustainable) growth. I'm just trying to make it clear that the rural infrastructure we have today is often not self-originated or self-sustaining.

 

[tzrider]

edit: And just to be clear, I am generally supportive of INVESTING in rural infrastructure to promote (sustainable) growth. I'm just trying to make it clear that the rural infrastructure we have today is often not self-originated or self-sustaining.

None of our infrastructure is "self-originated or self-sustaining." So what?

One size fits all policies driven by urban centers with the larger tax base are misguided. Along with the relatively smaller tax base of rural areas are a correspondingly smaller number of ICE's. A lot of yard tools can be replaced by electric ones. Some of the tools used in woodland settings cannot realistically be.

 

[NorCalBusa]

I don't recall the new law having much to do with existing gas powered lawn equipment- wasn't it addressing after a certain date in a couple years from now for new purchases?.

 

[mlm]

None of our infrastructure is "self-originated or self-sustaining." So what?

One size fits all policies driven by urban centers with the larger tax base are misguided. Along with the relatively smaller tax base of rural areas are a correspondingly smaller number of ICE's. A lot of yard tools can be replaced by electric ones. Some of the tools used in woodland settings cannot realistically be.

State maintained roads, access to state regulated utilities, fire protection. Wildland areas are subsidized.
https://theconversation.com/the-west-is-on-fire-and-the-us-taxpayer-is-subsidizing-it-47900

If you have a better solution then I'd love to hear it, but banning NEW sales seems to be the least impacting way to start migrating to new technologies.

 

[littlebeast]

Did you get clearance from the county or the Forest Service to cut these down? Not sure in your area but there are some protected trees that can't be cut here in our area like oaks.... make sure you tell them no gas operated saws or chippers!

yes - good point. although we are not restricted from doing it, we would never touch the mature ponderosas. but like i said, this is a fairly dense grove of young ones, and our arborist said we needed to thin it by half - and said to take out the tallest 50% every 2-3 years - and it’s past due). and to your point, this is to protect the native oaks (the pines are clustered in a seasonal creek bed and if allowed to grow to maturity would negatively impact the surrounding oaks). weird bit is, apparently our oaks are VERY fertile, and we have a shit ton of babies (growing literally like weeds). have been trying to look into relocating them (anyone want some youngsters lol!), but the county and the forest service just kinda laughed at me when i contacted them about it (one dude suggested a weed wacker ).

 

[ScarySpikes]

I don't recall the new law having much to do with existing gas powered lawn equipment- wasn't it addressing after a certain date in a couple years from now for new purchases?.

Yup.

Just like the CA rules for ICE engines in cars (which are supposed to be completely phased out for new vehicle sales in 2035)

If you have an old one, at least for now, you will still be able to use it. Though, eventually the infrastructure for even getting gasoline will probably be a lot more limited than charging stations whether for cars or lawn tools.

I honestly would not be surprised that a generalized, reasonably fast and high voltage charger will be standard in new homes built within the next few years.

 

[msethhunter]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

This picture.

 

[Killroy1999]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

This picture.

or

 

[msethhunter]

or

HAHAHAHA! That thing is $2k.

 

[Eldritch]

Yup.

Just like the CA rules for ICE engines in cars (which are supposed to be completely phased out for new vehicle sales in 2035)

If you have an old one, at least for now, you will still be able to use it. Though, eventually the infrastructure for even getting gasoline will probably be a lot more limited than charging stations whether for cars or lawn tools.

I honestly would not be surprised that a generalized, reasonably fast and high voltage charger will be standard in new homes built within the next few years.

I mean, people keep laughing about the 2035 phase out, but CA is going to have Gas at $20 a Gallon by then through increased carbon taxing. They are not going to require people to dispose of ICE motors, they are going to make gasoline unavailable through cost and require electrical charging infrastructure at existing Gas Stations.

The EV charging infrastructure requirements at multifamily properties are already starting to come to code.

 

[tzrider]

I mean, people keep laughing about the 2035 phase out, but CA is going to have Gas at $20 a Gallon by then through increased carbon taxing. They are not going to require people to dispose of ICE motors, they are going to make gasoline unavailable through cost and require electrical charging infrastructure at existing Gas Stations.

Could be, and/or ICE cars will stop being sold and will eventually wear out.

The EV charging infrastructure requirements at multifamily properties are already starting to come to code.

In some places single family construction requires the electrical infrastructure to support at least one EV charger. This is often a dedicated 220 circuit in the garage, separate from whatever is in place to power a washer and dryer.

 

[Jammer]

Now if we only had the infrastructure being put into place now to keep the lights on when everyone plugs in their electrics to charge.

I kind of doubt that we will in the next 15-20 years.

 

[Eldritch]

Could be, and/or ICE cars will stop being sold and will eventually wear out.

In some places single family construction requires the electrical infrastructure to support at least one EV charger. This is often a dedicated 220 circuit in the garage, separate from whatever is in place to power a washer and dryer.

Well, they won't stop selling them in America anytime soon, but I suspect functioning with gasoline is going to be very difficult in California by 2030.

The parking requirements in multifamily are goign similar. X-Many outlets per parking space. Seems mostly local right now depending on the City, I'm mainly seeing it in SoCal currently but it is only a matter of time before it becomes State Issued building requirement.

Gasoline is going the way of the dodo in CA, no one cares if anyone likes it, and it has nothing to do with Electric cars being better.

 

[msethhunter]

Now if we only had the infrastructure being put into place now to keep the lights on when everyone plugs in their electrics to charge.

I kind of doubt that we will in the next 15-20 years.

What's the call to work going to be when the power has been shut off for high winds? Are employers going to be required to have charging stations for their employees? Some people have really long commutes, beyond a round trip unless your EV comes off the charger right when you leave for work.

The infrastructure just isn't there, and I'm not sure they can have it in place by the time all these new laws take effect, especially based on past performances.

 

[Dmitriy]

Can’t you just buy one now (chain saw) and keep it alive with maintenance??

This is a can’t buy vs can’t use deal right?

Good luck getting parts for it.... (in the future IMO)

In case folks aren't aware CARB is slowly positioning itself to regulate-out spares too.... (At some point I suspect)

Go ahead into your local Motorcycle Store and try ordering a carburetor rebuild kit that is not OEM (for example an FCR from KTM is $199 and Moose Racing [parts unlimited] is $49). I promised you they can't order the Moose one. Sure you can get one shipped from out of state for now, but how long will the out of state loophole last? Almost anything Fuel system related is VERY regulated at this point. (and with ethanol in the fuel it practically insures any gasket touching it will harden over a few years time and if you leave fuel in it to stop that from happening your jets will plug up)

As they have gone after exhaust manufacturers previously I am sure they have the ability to limit sales of SMALL engine carbs & other parts....
(check out what they have done with boats... just a few pieces cost you a fortune: https://www.boats.net/product/yamaha/6H4-W0093-03-00)


Meanwhile I am sure PG&E will enjoy rate increases because of you know extra demand on its crappy system they will need lots of $$$ to upgrade to support all that charging....

 

[Eldritch]

Good luck getting parts for it.... (in the future IMO)

In case folks aren't aware CARB is slowly positioning itself to regulate-out spares too.... (At some point I suspect)

Go ahead into your local Motorcycle Store and try ordering a carburetor rebuild kit that is not OEM (for example an FCR from KTM is $199 and Moose Racing [parts unlimited] is $49). I promised you they can't order the Moose one. Sure you can get one shipped from out of state for now, but how long will the out of state loophole last? Almost anything Fuel system related is VERY regulated at this point. (and with ethanol in the fuel it practically insures any gasket touching it will harden over a few years time and if you leave fuel in it to stop that from happening your jets will plug up)

As they have gone after exhaust manufacturers previously I am sure they have the ability to limit sales of SMALL engine carbs & other parts....
(check out what they have done with boats... just a few pieces cost you a fortune: https://www.boats.net/product/yamaha/6H4-W0093-03-00)


Meanwhile I am sure PG&E will enjoy rate increases because of you know extra demand on its crappy system they will need lots of $$$ to upgrade to support all that charging....

Yeah, I mean Cuba is still running all their Cars from the 1950's, right?

I anticipate a weird Black Market for parts and fuel being shipped in from America in the coming future, but it won't last too long, because the Gasoline will just be too expensive to be worth the extra work.

 

[tzrider]

Buy the consumables in some quantity when you buy the machine. The reality is these things last a long time with little maintenance.

 

[Dubbington]

This doesn't apply to the used market I dont think.

Ill probably pickup a 212cc predator motor for another minibike build at some point.

 

[mercurial]

The state is definitely improving their ability to clamp down on out of state merchants selling non-compliant goods into California. I've seen it with pool pumps, even the small players won't ship non-compliant pumps into here.

 

[Abacinator]

Out of curiosity, what exactly does California require for pool pump compliance? That doesn't seem like something that needs regulating. Is it for energy consumption or something?