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NFL 2018/2019 Thread

Rumor is Nelson is going to re-sign with the Packers for less. I would love him in SF though.

that would be weird given the farewell message he received from, and gave to, the team. usually when it's a cut and resign they don't do that part. more recently they just do a mutual contract restructuring and the guy never hits FA

agree re liking him in SF
 
that would be weird given the farewell message he received from, and gave to, the team. usually when it's a cut and resign they don't do that part. more recently they just do a mutual contract restructuring and the guy never hits FA

agree re liking him in SF

He has lost a step, but he could bring some excellent Veteran Cool to the locker room. I see the Niners picking up at least one WR in the first 4 rounds of the Draft this year.
 
Dude, if the D can keep improving, the Browns would be a scary, "grind you to dust," team with both those guys pounding it. That is a football team I would like to watch.

You can have all the talent in the world on a team with a solid QB and still not crack into playoff contention if the coaching staff sucks balls. Case in point:

2010 SF 9ers: 6-10
2011 SF 9ers: 13-3

Arguably I don't know much about the Browns' coaching staff. Are they good enough to get a solid team with a stout D and road-grading ground game to the point that they are able to grind anyone into the dust? Or are they going to get a mediocre performance out of the talent they have assembled because when it all comes down to it the coaching staff is the most mediocre part of the team?
 
You can have all the talent in the world on a team with a solid QB and still not crack into playoff contention if the coaching staff sucks balls. Case in point:

2010 SF 9ers: 6-10
2011 SF 9ers: 13-3

Arguably I don't know much about the Browns' coaching staff. Are they good enough to get a solid team with a stout D and road-grading ground game to the point that they are able to grind anyone into the dust? Or are they going to get a mediocre performance out of the talent they have assembled because when it all comes down to it the coaching staff is the most mediocre part of the team?

:laughing Singletary was SO bad. You make an excellent point, but those kinds of teams, even if they can't win, the winner dreads playing them. Those brutal 10-6 Victories where everyone goes into the locker room feeling beat to shit and every play feels like a battle for inches. That is real football, that is what I am talking about.
 
:laughing Singletary was SO bad. You make an excellent point, but those kinds of teams, even if they can't win, the winner dreads playing them. Those brutal 10-6 Victories where everyone goes into the locker room feeling beat to shit and every play feels like a battle for inches. That is real football, that is what I am talking about.

By that thinking just about every game is brutal regardless of outcome. It is the NFL with the absolute very best, top 1% players in the WORLD, playing against each other every week. With the exception of teams with high-flying offenses like the Pats most games are grind it out, tooth and nail, fights. Which kinda makes any discussion of the Browns being this behemoth via FA and the draft a bit of a stretch of the imagination. Until they get a top flight coaching staff in place they are going to continue to be the same old doormat they've always been regardless of the individual battles won/lost each game. Another case in point:
2016 SF 9ers: 2-14
2015 SF 9ers: 5-11

/shrug
 
Joe Thomas is retiring. Cleveland is still fucked.
 
By that thinking just about every game is brutal regardless of outcome. It is the NFL with the absolute very best, top 1% players in the WORLD, playing against each other every week. With the exception of teams with high-flying offenses like the Pats most games are grind it out, tooth and nail, fights. Which kinda makes any discussion of the Browns being this behemoth via FA and the draft a bit of a stretch of the imagination. Until they get a top flight coaching staff in place they are going to continue to be the same old doormat they've always been regardless of the individual battles won/lost each game. Another case in point:
2016 SF 9ers: 2-14
2015 SF 9ers: 5-11

/shrug

No, that is not what that thinking is. The physical result of a game where every series ends up in a 3rd and 1-3 with a run to convert is very different from a game where you get a lot of passes that are caught or dropped for yard chunks and clock stops and score or punt. The punting makes it better to play in if guys can't convert, but those are not as fun to watch as a brutal 11 minute drive downfield for 80+ yards and a touchdown on the ground.

In a pass heavy game, they guys are gassed, more the secondary guys than anybody, but being gassed from running around just does not feel the same as a whole game of banging up on other pads all game. After a game like that, fucking everything hurts, your toes hurt, your arms are beat to shit, your chest feels weird, the cold tub won't solve it, it takes a couple of days at least before you don't feel beat to shit anymore.

Like getting gassed from chasing the ball downfield, you get a fluid drip after the game, get in some hot water, stretch it out, sometimes your ankles and hands are sore, but usually not too bad unless you had to make some nasty high speed tackles.

Pass heavy games feel very different afterwards from games played on the line all day.
 
Cleveland Browns are a paper tiger until they start winning games - hard fought or not

I actively root against Baltimore, prefer PIT to lose, and am ambivalent about Cincy. i wouldn't mind seeing Cleveland piss of the other teams in that division but i won't hold my breath lol
 
No, that is not what that thinking is. The physical result of a game where every series ends up in a 3rd and 1-3 with a run to convert is very different from a game where you get a lot of passes that are caught or dropped for yard chunks and clock stops and score or punt. The punting makes it better to play in if guys can't convert, but those are not as fun to watch as a brutal 11 minute drive downfield for 80+ yards and a touchdown on the ground.

In a pass heavy game, they guys are gassed, more the secondary guys than anybody, but being gassed from running around just does not feel the same as a whole game of banging up on other pads all game. After a game like that, fucking everything hurts, your toes hurt, your arms are beat to shit, your chest feels weird, the cold tub won't solve it, it takes a couple of days at least before you don't feel beat to shit anymore.

Like getting gassed from chasing the ball downfield, you get a fluid drip after the game, get in some hot water, stretch it out, sometimes your ankles and hands are sore, but usually not too bad unless you had to make some nasty high speed tackles.

Pass heavy games feel very different afterwards from games played on the line all day.

I wouldn't know. I spent the bulk of my time playing in veer offense/ 4-4 defense system. Everybody ran it from peewees to college. The overwhelming game plan was "4 yards and a cloud of dust." Execution, execution, execution and hit the hole as fast as you can. There were maybe 3-5 passes the entire game. That includes both teams. Work in the trenches is work in the trenches. All that fancy running/passing shit is just that.

I did play my junior year at a school in southern Colorado Springs. There was much more passing. I still felt drained after every game. First time I played on both sides of the ball and special teams since peewees. For the most part the guys on my team there were soft as fuck.
 
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teams releasing players because of potential guaranteed money sucks. It's a power play to prevent guaranteed contracts to become the norm in the NFL (as it is in just about all other sports).

Cousins may just be setting the new order with his guaranteed contract? :dunno
 
Cousins may just be setting the new order with his guaranteed contract? :dunno

maybe, maybe not. maybe it'll cause even more pushback for other contracts to resist this trend. I heard the agent for Cousins also represents Matt Ryan...let's see the direction this goes.
 
teams releasing players because of potential guaranteed money sucks. It's a power play to prevent guaranteed contracts to become the norm in the NFL (as it is in just about all other sports).

The Cards look like they are going to take some huge steps backward this year. Arians retirement being the worst of it.

Cousins may just be setting the new order with his guaranteed contract? :dunno

What happens if he gets a guranteed contract and ends up being a dud?
 
then he gets paid the amount he was promised? what exactly is wrong with that?

Not the questions I was asking. I got no skin in his performance so I don't care if he gets paid.

It was more a question about the risk involved with guaranteed contracts. As in not getting return on the investment in one way or another.
 
Not the questions I was asking. I got no skin in his performance so I don't care if he gets paid.

It was more a question about the risk involved with guaranteed contracts. As in not getting return on the investment in one way or another.

so, you don't care if he gets paid...but you care if he gets paid? I think my answer still answers that.:dunno

There is always risk. NFL is the only major sport that places the risk squarely on the player.
 
now Raiders talking about signing Nelson and cutting Crabtree
 
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