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NFL 2018/2019 Thread

CocoLoco said:
Not the questions I was asking. I got no skin in his performance so I don't care if he gets paid.

It was more a question about the risk involved with guaranteed contracts. As in not getting return on the investment in one way or another.
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I think NFL owners have hedged their risk by resisting guaranteed contracts. 3 years is about right to know if you have a stud or dud, and then to re-negotiate accordingly. The big intangible is injury.

I won't feel bad if this is the future.
 
Bowling4Bikes said:
so, you don't care if he gets paid...but you care if he gets paid? I think my answer still answers that.:dunno

There is always risk. NFL is the only major sport that places the risk squarely on the player.
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Right. The question at hand (or at least as I was interpreting it) is will fully guaranteed contracts become the norm in the NFL if Cousins gets one? Will it become more common? One of the things that hinges on is whether or not the team thinks they got their monies' worth out of the deal. If teams feel like they are getting burned then fully guaranteed contracts won't take hold. :dunno

That's all I was saying. It doesn't really have much to do with Cousins but he's the one getting the contract so he's the guinea pig. I don't much care that it's him.
 
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Johndicezx9 said:
I think NFL owners have hedged their risk by resisting guaranteed contracts. 3 years is about right to know if you have a stud or dud, and then to re-negotiate accordingly. The big intangible is injury.

I won't feel bad if this is the future.
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I don't really care one way or the other. I think the owners are getting way more than their share of the pie right now but that's my own personal view. I don't watch/pay-attention-to football because I'm interested in the contracts.
 
They won't become the norm for anybody but QBs, and even that will be rare.

With a salary cap league it's just not sustainable. All it will take is one majory injury to a guy with a guaranteed deal to fuck over a franchise for 5 years.
 
His, sure.

I'm thinking that we will see a lot more interesting contract structures with reasonably attainable incentives to keep cap numbers low and actually give players paydays if they perform.
 
CocoLoco said:
You can have all the talent in the world on a team with a solid QB and still not crack into playoff contention if the coaching staff sucks balls. Case in point:

2010 SF 9ers: 6-10
2011 SF 9ers: 13-3

Arguably I don't know much about the Browns' coaching staff. Are they good enough to get a solid team with a stout D and road-grading ground game to the point that they are able to grind anyone into the dust? Or are they going to get a mediocre performance out of the talent they have assembled because when it all comes down to it the coaching staff is the most mediocre part of the team?
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Browns coaching staff went 1-15 in 2016 and then got worse in 2017 at 0-16. You figure it out .

Hue Jackson should be fired already.:rolleyes
 
CocoLoco said:
Right. The question at hand (or at least as I was interpreting it) is will fully guaranteed contracts become the norm in the NFL if Cousins gets one? Will it become more common? One of the things that hinges on is whether or not the team thinks they got their monies' worth out of the deal. If teams feel like they are getting burned then fully guaranteed contracts won't take hold. :dunno

That's all I was saying. It doesn't really have much to do with Cousins but he's the one getting the contract so he's the guinea pig. I don't much care that it's him.
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ok I get you.

it wouldn't be easy. 53 man roster. no other sports have that burden. but it's really only a half dozen players that make most of the money on the team.

I wonder if they could pass some sort of soft cap, where the salary for injured players could be absorbed. It's not about owners saving money. I think it's more like the future success under the cap like V said.
 
Next CBA is in 3 years. I could totally see changes that make only a certain part of contracts count for the salary cap.

Something like roster bonuses and games played incentives don't count towards cap numbers -- but also a limit on the percentage of a contract that can be those kind of bonuses.

There will be a happy medium at some point. Players absolutely need more security, but the current salary cap structure makes it impossible.
 
Though I am basically a Niners fan, I support this move. The problem with both Amari Cooper and Crabtree is that you just cannot count on them to actually catch the ball. Nelson is so much more of a secure receiver, even if he isn't as physically able at this stage of his career.

I have always wanted to like Crabtree but I have too many mental images during his Niner and now Raider years missing or dropping passes, despite all the hype about his big ol' hands. So in anticipation, no I don't want him back as a Niner either. There's seems to be some noise about a lack of leadership as well, but it's pretty much gossip so who knows....

I knew one of the two current receivers had to go for this reason. You need somebody on a different wavelength. In another sport, I feel the same way about the Dubs. Right now, Steph, Klay and even Durant sometimes get into shooting funks. Livingston and West function as guys on a different path, and score more consistently, albeit at a slower pace.

I would find this to be the most interesting challenge as a coach or talent evaluator, finding guys who don't all have their bad day on the same day. In basketball, there are so many more games and opportunities to mix it up, with football you get 16 days to get it right....
 
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I heard that Sherman hated Harbaugh from Snodfart days and that was part of his overall animus over the years. And it was because Harbaugh didn't consider Sherman's ability to play a different position than he was assigned. Just radio noise but in a similar vein to link above.

After living through the dreary years of having the Niners make me want to hate NFL football, I ended up kind of lamenting the decline of the Seahawks. They were always a dirty team, highly penalized, but their defense was one of the most scary and effective squads since old Raider days and I respected them. I can't figure out why Carroll and ownership has lost ability to retain what they had going, but it was a great team for a while. NFL=Not For Long is the appropriate meme but they did have a good run.

To me, Sherman is having the best last laugh. He will now collect salary in a diminshed physical state from the team he humiliated. he is Charlie Sheen winning big time, though its a modest contract insofar as terms for him to collect. And I'll cheer the guy. He's smart and the Niners need some fire and leadership.
 
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Why do Seahawlk fans call themselves 12's?


So you can tell which year they became fans of the team. :twofinger
 
Bay Arean said:
I heard that Sherman hated Harbaugh from Snodfart days and that was part of his overall animus over the years. And it was because Harbaugh didn't consider Sherman's ability to play a different position than he was assigned. Just radio noise but in a similar vein to link above.

After living through the dreary years of having the Niners make me want to hate NFL football, I ended up kind of lamenting the decline of the Seahawks. They were always a dirty team, highly penalized, but their defense was one of the most scary and effective squads since old Raider days and I respected them. I can't figure out why Carroll and ownership has lost ability to retain what they had going, but it was a great team for a while. NFL=Not For Long is the appropriate meme but they did have a good run.

To me, Sherman is having the best last laugh. He will now collect salary in a diminshed physical state from the team he humiliated. he is Charlie Sheen winning big time, though its a modest contract insofar as terms for him to collect. And I'll cheer the guy. He's smart and the Niners need some fire and leadership.
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Two words: Scot McCloughan
He was in charge of player personnel for Seattle from 2010-2013 and continued to provide scouting services to them, and anyone else willing to pay, until he landed the GM gig with Washington in 2015.

Influx of talent to Seattle has eroded since then. At some point I expect it to come to a head with Russel Wilson not being happy about the lack of talent around him. Even a guy of his talent has a limit on the amount he can elevate the team.

Interesting phenomenon:
How NFL jersey sales thrived during a bad year for the league

I'm thinking this points to the real fan base being more engaged even as the fair-weathers hit the exit.
 
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