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NFL 2021

mikev said:
Lance could be OK but he will 100% need to sit for a year and learn.

I could be totally wrong but I just don't think it's Jones. You don't give up three #1 picks to get a clone of the guy you already have.
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A clone with 7 more year's worth of tread on him.

I still don't really like any of them as franchise QB and am hoping Salah blows his first draft and leaves Wilson on the board.
 
scootergmc said:
I just don't see how the 49ers get over the hump with a rookie, unless it's a win in 2-3 years mindset, a la Mahomes.
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No matter who they draft, I think the plan IS Jimmy G next season, unless we get another drah-ma ala Kaepernick-Smith. Somebody has to sit and watch and wait.

But realistically, I am nearly positive Jimmy will get hurt by about five games in and whoever it is better be ready, unless they still have a vet signed up in reserve. Based on the punditry's take, Mac Jones comes from NFL Puppy Mill SEC so is most likely ready to be thrown to the wolves in that eventuality. Maybe not the best, but the most used to rushing chaos. That's my personal rationale of why it SEEMS like SF is leaning his way. It's amusing how worked up people are that Jones isn't as good as the guy who played less games, or the guy from North Dakota or wherever he's from. We are so often proven wrong when the top draft guy doesn't end up bein the sliced bread du jour. In fact, because of my overall negativity probably, I am completely ready for that Trevor Lawrence guy to bomb out after a few pummels. he seems too good, too hyped to be true.

I wonder if there is such a thing as a Las Vegas bet regarding whether Jimmy Garoppalo ever plays an entire season?
 
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Sharxfan said:
Do you think they will want to wait that long? Busa is on a rookie deal now and in what 2 years he is gonna get paid by someone so win now should be the order of the day. Unless they are banking on the salary cap going up enough to pay him to stay around.
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The salary cap is a shell game, but to me it just doesn't make sense for the 9ers to wait that long. The team is built for win now, unless they're trying to start some sort of dynasty run and have everyone buy-in - and buy-in like the present Bucs. That's why I like the possibility of another monster trade for a known commodity.
 
scootergmc said:
The salary cap is a shell game, but to me it just doesn't make sense for the 9ers to wait that long. The team is built for win now, unless they're trying to start some sort of dynasty run and have everyone buy-in - and buy-in like the present Bucs. That's why I like the possibility of another monster trade for a known commodity.
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Makes sense, it has been a quarter century, they are over due and haven't won it since they became the San Jose 49ers. I reckon they need to win one to get the buy in you are talking about. Until they take a Ring for San Jose, guys are still going to just want to get paid.

You make a good point about a proven vet though, even if dude only runs a couple years, if they get that Win and guys buy in, it could set up a stable culture that lasts long past the Veteran leaving.

Like, Jeff Garcia wasn't much, but he was bred into such a winning locker room culture that he played a lot of good ball just because of it.
 
They already have that culture built. It's literally what they said they wanted to do -- sustain winning and not go all in for a couple of year window.
 
Except now the pressure is mounting for the guys in the FO and coaches are getting poached.
 
Yeah, that isn't unusual, but typically the Culture comes from a single disruptive figure who creates it and then it kind of lingers for as long it lingers in that organic process.

I have a hard time seeing the Niners as having a, "Winning Culture." All they do is lose right now. They aren't as bad as my guys (who I suspect are suffering from culture cancer more than anything), but they have had one winning season in the last 7 years.

Harbaugh really turned them into winners, but that was 3 coaches ago and the spectacular way he flamed out was kind fo a culture killer you know? After those 3 good years staring a decade ago, the Niners rapidly fell back into the legacy of suck that had just kind of been their story since the 90's.

I like what the Office is doing in San Jose, I think they are making the right team building culture calls, really seems like a team building in the right direction, but I think saying, "they already have a culture of winning," is a bit premature, don't you?

Shouldn't they try and have some, "sustained winning," as you say first?
 
Harbaugh and Co. (I'm looking at you Baalke) culture was anything but organic and the backstabbing and infighting promoted by it meant it was never going to be sustainable.

A "winning culture" isn't always healthy and if a culture isn't healthy it's eventually going to get punted.

The current culture is a winning/sustainable culture: when the players are on the field the team has chemistry, direction, coaching, and talent to win. When half the team is on IR it's hard to maintain all four of those elements and so it's hard to win. The players still want to come play for Shanahan and Lynch. The culture they have instilled into the organization so far makes players want to stick around as long as they can. IMO the other thing they've been able to manage and keep out front is that it is a business. They haven't pulled any punches when it comes to dealing people off to get more out of the roster and salary cap. There are no big shocks to the culture because a superstar has been let go. That may come down the line as folks like Kittle age out and after winning the last game of the season. It's another test for the winning culture they've built so far. I think they'll be up for it.
 
I really like the current culture, but it's undiscovered country without Saleh. No matter what happened, the last few years have had ferocious defense, just dependent on available from injury talent to execute it. I often watched games and thought,
"they are losing but the defense has not given up, they will take their due no matter what."

I hope they don't lose that. i feel really good about the leadership of Niners but Jimmy G is just like this one big uncertainty floating there. Will he be Good Jimmy on game day? Will he ever stop getting hurt? I dunno. When he's cookin, it's pretty good ball.
 
Harbaugh was a gigantic asshole and burned bridges left and right. The second he didn't have a historically good defense, they stopped being good.
 
CocoLoco said:
Harbaugh and Co. (I'm looking at you Baalke) culture was anything but organic and the backstabbing and infighting promoted by it meant it was never going to be sustainable.

A "winning culture" isn't always healthy and if a culture isn't healthy it's eventually going to get punted.

The current culture is a winning/sustainable culture: when the players are on the field the team has chemistry, direction, coaching, and talent to win. When half the team is on IR it's hard to maintain all four of those elements and so it's hard to win. The players still want to come play for Shanahan and Lynch. The culture they have instilled into the organization so far makes players want to stick around as long as they can. IMO the other thing they've been able to manage and keep out front is that it is a business. They haven't pulled any punches when it comes to dealing people off to get more out of the roster and salary cap. There are no big shocks to the culture because a superstar has been let go. That may come down the line as folks like Kittle age out and after winning the last game of the season. It's another test for the winning culture they've built so far. I think they'll be up for it.
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So, in order to be a, "Winning Culture," you have to win some shit, right? So far the Shannahan era has one winning season and an average of about 7 wins per season. :dunno

I wonder if the injuries are a culture thing too. Certainly I suspect it is for my guys. We are way too hurt way too often for there not to be something wrong that is not obvious.

Not enough Ronnie Lott in these muthafuckas.
 
Eldritch said:
So, in order to be a, "Winning Culture," you have to win some shit, right? So far the Shannahan era has one winning season and an average of about 7 wins per season. :dunno

I wonder if the injuries are a culture thing too. Certainly I suspect it is for my guys. We are way too hurt way too often for there not to be something wrong that is not obvious.

Not enough Ronnie Lott in these muthafuckas.
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I guess if you want to define culture so narrowly that it loses any real meaning. Sure. But then let's talk about what "winning" is because if we're going to narrow it down that far then really the only game that counts is the last one played. That kinda brings us back to the question of whether or not a team has to be winning all the time in order to foster a culture of success. I'd suggest it doesn't. The players have to believe they can win. That's a winning culture. As long as that's present there is a winning culture in my mind.

Even in Lott's era it was rare for players to suit up with ACL tears let alone explosions. The idea that players today aren't tough is just silly. I watched players like Mostert suit up and give everything they had even though they were injured. Kittle too. I'm sure I'm forgetting a handful of others. Besides that things have changed. The league is mandating a lot more medical involvement in decisions about who plays or sits due to injury. They are worried about liability down the line. Something that wasn't even considered in the last century.
 
I read some good articles on Trey Lance he seems to be an athletic quarterback with throwing and running skills. Read that no colleges really recruited him from high school because they had no tape of him due to the coach pulling him because they were up by 40 points at halftime for almost every game. We will see what happens......

He would be an upgrade if he just stayed healthy for a season.... :laughing
 
CocoLoco said:
I guess if you want to define culture so narrowly that it loses any real meaning. Sure. But then let's talk about what "winning" is because if we're going to narrow it down that far then really the only game that counts is the last one played. That kinda brings us back to the question of whether or not a team has to be winning all the time in order to foster a culture of success. I'd suggest it doesn't. The players have to believe they can win. That's a winning culture. As long as that's present there is a winning culture in my mind.

Even in Lott's era it was rare for players to suit up with ACL tears let alone explosions. The idea that players today aren't tough is just silly. I watched players like Mostert suit up and give everything they had even though they were injured. Kittle too. I'm sure I'm forgetting a handful of others. Besides that things have changed. The league is mandating a lot more medical involvement in decisions about who plays or sits due to injury. They are worried about liability down the line. Something that wasn't even considered in the last century.
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That is not what I am saying. I am saying in order to have a winning culture, you have to have a culture that wins football games. The Niners. Are. Losers.

It isn't about the last game played it is about stringing together a handful of winning seasons like the Pack, the Pats, the Seachickens, these are teams that haven't had a losing season in like 10 years. That is winning culture, you put together 4-5 Seasons of winning football in a row, mostly you take your division in those years, get to the playoffs. You build a culture where you just kind of expect to win because you always do.

That is what makes a winning culture, gets it down into the blood and bones of a Team. Having one or two good seasons is just a fluke. It is a spark in the moment, it isn't a culture. Shit, even the bloody Lions have a good season every once in a while.





I can tell you guys, I did not expect the Big Mack Attack to slide down to the Pats. I hate that they will probably go back to being really good now. Fucking fuck Boston.
 
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