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PGA going downhill?

You'll never convince me that golf doesn't suck. But I'm also happy that you enjoy it :)

I think it's easy to dislike golf because of all the dildo-related stuff, but walking around with buds being bad at something and laughing about it, it's fun. Technically, the medium is mostly arbitrary. Could be a hike, bike ride, whatever.
 
Yeah, but the ladies...?

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What does being a track coach have to do with the knowing how athletic a professional golfer must be?

Does anyone at the upper level of any field have similar insights into golf as a track coach?

What does a track coach's knowledge about students bodies developing have to do with knowing a professional golfer's level of athleticism?

Thanks. :thumbup
* SIGH *

Here is the original post that I responded to, I bolded the important sentence:
You are missing out. Quite possibly the most difficult sport to win or even remain competitive. No substitutions, no physical assistance. Having a bad round? Keep going. PGA format: 4 days of the same course, only weather and pin positions changing day by day (sometimes a tee box, but rarely). If you manage to make the cut going into the weekend and have a few mis swings on Sat, you have to swallow it and keep playing another day. Most athletes wouldn't even show up.

Visually, they play on the most interesting fields, as well.
In other words, if you're going to claim that golfers are in the most difficult sport, that encompasses all other sports, not just ones like pool, sailing and other sports that don't require extensive development.

I get the feeling that you didn't really follow the thread, you just saw my post a ways down and just jumped on to take a cheap shot. :thumbdown
 
Hey, I shot a 59 at Muirfield back in the '90s.... :x







*on Jack Nicklaus Golf for PC.

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Classic appeal to authority.

I'd say that a marathon is the epitome of a marathon. :twofinger

You'll never convince me that golf doesn't suck. But I'm also happy that you enjoy it :)

When you tried to play, you probably just weren't drunk enough.
 
NorcalAthlete put together a very accurate post regarding some of the factors that separate golf. It isn't a sprint sport, its the epitome of a marathon. No other sport offers a lifetime pursuit with failure as the constant. When a serious golfer has a shot within the distance of their tools, the goal is to put the ball in the hole. Mentally, balancing the drive to achieve while accepting the results over and over will mentally beat down most humans.

Along a different path: the massive amount of competitors that are all individually golfing and comparing scores at the end is a format in and of itself.

There are extremely few tournaments where the leader walks away from the field. Commonly, there is a group that forms where the difference is a tiny. The elite group is talented.

As to the life of a golfer. The coordination, physical conditioning, and mental approach - it's special in that the responsibility is solely on the golfer. Some choose to make it their life, others pursue it at whatever level they feel is proper. But, the golfers working on their game put millions of balls down range.

Swimming has a similar requirement. Where you truly hone your skills by swimming. Accessory workouts help fitness and condition the body, but swimming is how you tie the muscles and coordination together to swim fast and far. Golf, you have to hit balls. The elite golfers can tell you withing 1 to 2 millimeters where the face impacted the ball. That's after accelerating a club to over 100mph in a short period of time. Think about the driver. The elite golfer is targeting a 10-15 foot circle over 1000 feet away. Some driving holes are easier than others, but the elite golfer is focused on that specific target. No other sport drives the object ball without chemistry being involved.

The simplest sectors of the game: the tee box, the approach, and putting are each individually handled and combined by the player. If you haven't pursued it. The frustration of "feeling" 2 and not having any grasp of the 3rd is enough to cause grown men to throw their club. I've seen it, and it's hilarious.

Now, that's just a glimpse of the individual and their clubs. That isn't even starting to address that it's 18 holes to a course, and there is zero consistency between holes throughout the world. Sure, similar feel or aspects. But, the greens keeper moves the hole position on greens. If they have a fight with their wife that morning, you may not be able to putt the ball close enough to feel confident you can drop the ball in the hole. That's not common, but it happens. Will provide a link to a recent story where the college women's tournament put a hole where the average score was 3 over par.

The complexities of golf surpass most offerings in sports. It is slower. Takes a lot of interest to enjoy. But, if you get bit by the bug, it becomes a part of you. It's not for everybody. It's too hard :laughing
Thanks for taking the time to write down your thoughts and points on golf, I used to play it with several friends and to spend time with my dad. I did enjoy playing it and was pretty good until my eye sight started to fail (without my realizing it) and I went from being able to drop the ball within 10 feet of the pin from within 150 feet, most of the time, to not being able to get even close to that even when I hit the flag pole, not realizing that my depth perception had gone away with losing my 20/20 vision.

I did have some issues, one where the graity well of a certain large pond just in front of the tee on the 18th hole just sucked my balls into the drink. :laughing

Let me pick one of the events I coach, the triple jump. Training starts 9 months in advance, we start with working on first getting their legs to where they can start handling the early stresses, which are increasingly demanding plyometric forces on the legs. Also we start them in a weight program to give them the development to handle the enormous stresses that their ankles, knees and hips will be subjected to.

Meanwhile, we're working on developing their approach, starting with drive phase, acceleration phase then preparation phase. Through 16 steps (or more), they have to hit the board within a few inches while carrying close to full speed. That may sound simple, but when you're getting a 3-5 meters per second variable (direction and speed wind), the difference can be as much as 2-1/2 feet on their run-up, so a call needs to be made just before they start their approach on how much to adjust their starting position.

Then there are the phases, each of which is dependent upon the previous for success, mess up one and the rest fail. Each successive take-off angle needs to be greater, but all of that while moving along at near full running speed. Then at the end, they need to execute their landing, with the difference being as much as 2 feet depending on how they landed. And most of the time, the winner is decided by a couple inches or less.

Also, the jumpers are often called away to run a relay or another race or they have to do their triple jump after going through 6 jumps in the long jump including a minimum of 4 run-ups.
 
I am not playing the comparison game. Golf doesn't rank high on the physicality meter. Mainly, pointing out what characteristics golf offers that no other sport really offers. The triple jump has strict guidelines on placement of the lines and the field is regulated. The athlete knows how to condition the body to match those specific distances. Golf, you have your 18 tee shots. After those, Lord knows what you have to do next. A couple other things. Nobody is driving a cart to deliver beer while you are running around a track. And, unless you have a real loose definition of performing, none of the other sports have been performed/practiced on the moon. Back to the physicality, that's another beautiful aspect of the game. You can play golf at the level you want to pursue for a lot longer than most other sports. Mainly, because the ball doesn't move.

One more aside: track is notoriously discriminatory to body types. There are specific events for anyone, but anyone can't compete at every event. You get pushed to the event your body tends towards. Golf is much more inclusive. And again, you get to drink while you do it.
 
I am not playing the comparison game. Golf doesn't rank high on the physicality meter. Mainly, pointing out what characteristics golf offers that no other sport really offers. The triple jump has strict guidelines on placement of the lines and the field is regulated. The athlete knows how to condition the body to match those specific distances. Golf, you have your 18 tee shots. After those, Lord knows what you have to do next. A couple other things. Nobody is driving a cart to deliver beer while you are running around a track. And, unless you have a real loose definition of performing, none of the other sports have been performed/practiced on the moon. Back to the physicality, that's another beautiful aspect of the game. You can play golf at the level you want to pursue for a lot longer than most other sports. Mainly, because the ball doesn't move.

One more aside: track is notoriously discriminatory to body types. There are specific events for anyone, but anyone can't compete at every event. You get pushed to the event your body tends towards. Golf is much more inclusive. And again, you get to drink while you do it.
I won't argue the drinking game with golf, we used to have a few before and on the course, definitely an enjoyable afternoon with friends.

You'd be surprised how some people break the norms of body type in track. There is a girl up in Oregon who does not have the typical track body, nor is she black, but as a Sophmore she is currently the fastest High School female sprinter in the nation. Simply amazing to see her run, especially when she gets up to speed.

You're arguing one aspect of sports, the changing terrain, and that's a valid point but it's not the end all because even over the same terrain, there is a lot of skill involved, just look at motorcycle racing (Outside of someing like IOM course).

I will grant that golf is enjoyed by people of all walks of life, just like volleyball is though people tend to drop out after their 30's or 40's in volleyball.
 
Climber: Also, take into account the incredible array of tools each golfer selects as available, and then implements in the field. With your example of triple jump: Athlete decides shoes, underwear, and socks? All other equipment decisions are regulated. In golf, the regulations exist, but provide a wide range of golf clubs. There may be 30 different driver configurations in a tournament, and that 1 club is used 5-12 times per day? Depending on the course. Every single shot (approx 255-275 strokes per 4 day tournament) requires a decision and commitment. There is no specific rule that states you have to use a putter to putt. The decision making is wild.

Edit - Add to that - a professional golfer and I, a terrible enthusiast, have access to the same equipment (more or less). We, as stupid recreational golfers, get to make all of the same decisions as the pros. Example: When left with a 120 yard shot over water. They are approaching the same obstacle we are. Take into account, they are more capable. With that in mind: Consider yourself adequately fit and playing golf with an 80 year old. A similar gap in capabilities exist between yourself and the 80 year old as a pro and a reckless enthusiast, such as myself.
 
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don’t give two shits about golf, but this just pisses me off even more about gas prices (saudis throwing ridiculous amounts of oil revenue around). prestige for sale. it’s like a national inferiority complex on steroids. :rolleyes
 
Saudi has governments (including our own) cozying up to them due to their oil, why should golfers be any different.

Selling your soul to the Devil is a time honored human tradition.

Will the golfers turn around and donate money for human rights causes?

Well, if you call owning a bevy of supercars/fancy homes/boats/planes human rights then yes.
 
...swing uglier than Charles Barkley...

He's actually gotten a lot better! :laughing

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Golf is the worst game to get good at! :x

FTFY :cool

It's the worst to watch, but lots of fun to play.

This.

Honestly it depends on the event.

Also this.

I think it's easy to dislike golf because of all the dildo-related stuff, but walking around with buds being bad at something and laughing about it, it's fun. Technically, the medium is mostly arbitrary. Could be a hike, bike ride, whatever.

That's what it is for me, anyway.
 
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