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Student Loan Debt Forgiveness?

You know that teenagers can't apply for loans without someone to cosign...

Wait….so you’re saying that there is people who were responsible and had the means to pay the loan back, who aren’t paying the loan back anymore!?

Your post kind of highlights why this $10k per person earning $125k wasn’t necessary.
 
Wait….so you’re saying that there is people who were responsible and had the means to pay the loan back, who aren’t paying the loan back anymore!?

Your post kind of highlights why this $10k per person earning $125k wasn’t necessary.

Yeah, it's not like poor families are signing up for student loans for their children in hopes that they have a more successful future.
 
You know that teenagers can't apply for loans without someone to cosign...

You are wrong.
If you have a steady job it is not a problem to get a loan.
And yes, some of us worked full time while going to college.
DT
 
Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that millions of people are trapped under mountains of student loan debt that is preventing them from engaging economically in this country. Clear the debt off the books, make higher education and trade schools freely available to those who want it, and we'll all be better off.
 
^ I agree that going forward, definately treating trade schools, and likely general undergraduate education should be free for the attendees (paid for like K-12), would be good for society. Unfortunatly the 10k loan forgiveness deal will likely have a negative impact on society unless the underlying problem is addressed. Tuition has outpaced inflation by 4-5 fold over the last half century, and that is directly related to the availabilty of loans to people who would not qualify for loans outside of student ones, IMO.

Antecdotally, I paid less than 2k/year in tuition at SFSU from ~1998-2001, and it looks like it is now ~7.5k/year. That is over a 350 percent increase in two decades, which greatly outpaces inflation over that time period. If there are no substancial changes to the availabilty of student credit going forward, then tuition will outpace inflation at at an even greater rate because the 10k forgiveness will be expected for future students, so schools will hike tuition. It seems more like political BS to me, similar to the stimulus checks to every taxpayer, just something to boost moral and gain votes, not something to actually improve or benefit society.
 
Imagine being a cancer survivor and then getting FUCKING PISSED OFF that a cure for cancer became available so other people with cancer didn't have to suffer.
 
You are wrong.
If you have a steady job it is not a problem to get a loan.
And yes, some of us worked full time while going to college.
DT

Be sure to post a pic of the beanie the seniors made you wear! :thumbup

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Imagine being a cancer survivor and then getting FUCKING PISSED OFF that a cure for cancer became available so other people with cancer didn't have to suffer.

Nice hyperbole, but do you really think that a supposed one time debt forgiveness of 10K is a cure for the current predatory student loan system that allows/benefits from college tuition hikes?

Edit: I see no hyperbole in my response/question, but maybe I'm myopic, or some other five dollar word. The other bullet points that I read are mitigation of debt incured, nothing I saw fundamentally changed the predatory nature of loans/tuition cost, but I probably didn't evaluate it with the scrutiny of an oncologist!
 
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Nice hyperbole, but do you really think that a supposed one time debt forgiveness of 10K is the only thing that's being done to the current predatory student loan system?


Cause if so, you clearly didn't read past the first bullet point.
 
I think I’ve type out about 6 replies now and not posted them to various posters because there’s no point. It’s blatantly evident that many of you have never dealt with FAFSA loans through the government.

A few key points:

They don’t check the credit of you or your (required) co-signer. I treat rates don’t depend on your credit because of that.

Repayment options are income based.

They offer forbearance options

They require a lot of leg work on the borrower.

They are designed for people who have no to pay for education.
 
You could have just stopped after the first point. They don't bother checking to see if the loans can be repaid.
 
^ I agree that going forward, definately treating trade schools, and likely general undergraduate education should be free for the attendees (paid for like K-12), would be good for society. Unfortunatly the 10k loan forgiveness deal will likely have a negative impact on society unless the underlying problem is addressed. Tuition has outpaced inflation by 4-5 fold over the last half century, and that is directly related to the availabilty of loans to people who would not qualify for loans outside of student ones, IMO.

Antecdotally, I paid less than 2k/year in tuition at SFSU from ~1998-2001, and it looks like it is now ~7.5k/year. That is over a 350 percent increase in two decades, which greatly outpaces inflation over that time period. If there are no substancial changes to the availabilty of student credit going forward, then tuition will outpace inflation at at an even greater rate because the 10k forgiveness will be expected for future students, so schools will hike tuition. It seems more like political BS to me, similar to the stimulus checks to every taxpayer, just something to boost moral and gain votes, not something to actually improve or benefit society.

This! ^^^ Well stated.
 
If I'm way off base, please tell me.

I'm imagining a situation where student loans are forgiven 100% percent. What happens to the lenders of those lones? Will they survive? They'd probably get bailed out to keep the system of lending going.

The reason I'm asking is because in this country, we have a history of big money companies being bailed out when they are failing and ultimately that's accepted as part of the process.

It seems to me by regardless of your position, if you think there is a better solution here, and there is... but being against this is nonsensical. Like... the elite that wipe their ass with 100 dollar bills, get their loans erased and people have less outrage about it because it is the status quo, but currently they have the energy of "IF YOU TOOK A LOAN OUT, YOU HAVE TO REPAY IT".

It sounds like a lot of hypocritical bullshit to me. Also tones of "fuck you got mine" and "Bootstraps" mentality. It also gives vibes of caring about the elites that literally do not give a fuck about you so why are you defending them?

And again, this is from the perspective of someone at 35 that paid off all my student loans.
 
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"IF YOU TOOK A LOAN OUT, YOU HAVE TO REPAY IT".

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I think that most all student loans are backed by the government, and that is why they can cancel up to 10/20k of it per student. Probably would be a much more complicated situation if they decided that housing was too expensive, so every homeowner had 50k knocked off of their mortgage

I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect people who took out loans to actually have to repay those loans, the more important issue in my mind is the cost of higher education, combined with the ease of credit to young, otherwise uncreditworthy individuals.
 
I think that most all student loans are backed by the government, and that is why they can cancel up to 10/20k of it per student. Probably would be a much more complicated situation if they decided that housing was too expensive, so every homeowner had 50k knocked off of their mortgage

I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect people who took out loans to actually have to repay those loans
, the more important issue in my mind is the cost of higher education, combined with the ease of credit to young, otherwise uncreditworthy individuals.

It's not unreasonable at all. Loans are a contractual situation that should be honored. But when the elites of our country wipe their asses with 100 dollar bills, have the ability to fail in their businesses, have their loans erased, and somehow move on to pursue new business ventures... Why the hell are people so upset about the average Joe getting 10k in student loan forgiveness? The elites don't really give a flying fuck about the average Joe.

Ultimately, this is nothing to the American elites. They will continue on like they do, so why is there so much pushback over something that helps the small guy, or small girl, or person.

Imagine if you were part of the elite and you can just shit the bed one day and still wake up rich as fuck the next morning... And imagine if you're apart of that system and defend it knowing you'll never reach that.

Cognitive Dissonance

I am not a pessimist but we should all be happy about this.
 
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You could have just stopped after the first point. They don't bother checking to see if the loans can be repaid.

Yes they do. They look at income to see what you’ll qualify for, and what you can afford to pay. What they don’t check for is whether or not you actually will pay the loan back based on your credit history.

Again, it appears as though most here have never even looked at federal student loan requirements, and I’m willing to bet that there’s a lot of people who don’t even realize how much assistance there actually is for a federal student loan. Having the means to pay them back ≠ paying them back.
 
If I'm way off base, please tell me.

I'm imagining a situation where student loans are forgiven 100% percent. What happens to the lenders of those lones? Will they survive? They'd probably get bailed out to keep the system of lending going.

The reason I'm asking is because in this country, we have a history of big money companies being bailed out when they are failing and ultimately that's accepted as part of the process.

It seems to me by regardless of your position, if you think there is a better solution here, and there is... but being against this is nonsensical. Like... the elite that wipe their ass with 100 dollar bills, get their loans erased and people have less outrage about it because it is the status quo, but currently they have the energy of "IF YOU TOOK A LOAN OUT, YOU HAVE TO REPAY IT".

It sounds like a lot of hypocritical bullshit to me. Also tones of "fuck you got mine" and "Bootstraps" mentality. It also gives vibes of caring about the elites that literally do not give a fuck about you so why are you defending them?

And again, this is from the perspective of someone at 35 that paid off all my student loans.

Eight percent of student loans are to private schools.

Those are not covered by this proposal.
 
I think that most all student loans are backed by the government, and that is why they can cancel up to 10/20k of it per student. Probably would be a much more complicated situation if they decided that housing was too expensive, so every homeowner had 50k knocked off of their mortgage

I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect people who took out loans to actually have to repay those loans, the more important issue in my mind is the cost of higher education, combined with the ease of credit to young, otherwise uncreditworthy individuals.

Yes, the government is the guarantor of FAFSA loans so they are on the hook for it, using existing tax revenue.

There are plenty of sound arguments already in this thread as to the benefits of student loan forgiveness.
 
It's not unreasonable at all. Loans are a contractual situation that should be honored. But when the elites of our country wipe their asses with 100 dollar bills, have the ability to fail in their businesses, have their loans erased, and somehow move on to pursue new business ventures... Why the hell are people so upset about the average Joe getting 10k in student loan forgiveness? The elites don't really give a flying fuck about the average Joe.

I think it's the average joe who is most upset.

25.3% of Americans have a high school diploma with no further education.
 
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