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Marlowe said:
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While I won't admit that every road in this state is as bad as you think they are (I've probably driven more of the majority of this entire state in the last five years than most people will in their entire life), I will stipulate that they're not perfect. Also, the taxes you pay for fuel in California do not go entirely to road improvements. Furthermore, while it is only one picture that you found on Google, the above photo very much appears to be from a roadway that's already a construction zone. Note the K-rails on both sides of the lane.

Marlowe said:
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As for this photo, I just don't get it. I know there's some people that think living in isolation is a great thing but I just can't understand it. Humans are fundamentally social creatures. The whole living in the middle of nowhere to stay away from people just doesn't make sense to me. But of course, YMMV.

That being said, that picture is most likely not from California and thus it's still an apples to oranges comparison. No other state has as many roadways to maintain as California, nor do any of the them have as many registered vehicles on the road.
 
I'm sure you've been down I-5 once or twice? I don't understand why a photo of a desolate road equates to a desire to live in isolation? As for the quality of roads in California, I'd easily put them in the satisfactory category.
 
It was a tie-in to the whole "these roads are better" argument with the posting of a photo of a desolate highway surrounded by cattle ranches. Of course the roads are better in those areas...no one really lives there. :|

I-5 obviously excluded.
 
I suspect the photo was more of a metaphor rather than a literal "look at this 3 mile stretch of desolate road because it is proof that all roads in Arizona are better than all roads in California".
 
Question for you:

Are you the embodiment of the state of California, it's corporeal form?

If not...why are you taking this so personally. It's not about the people. (Well, except the voters ;)
 
Marlowe said:
Question for you:

Are you the embodiment of the state of California, it's corporeal form?

If not...why are you taking this so personally. It's not about the people. (Well, except the voters ;)
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I'm not. I'm exposing the crap of people that hate on California for reasons that are personal or what their conformation bias-based internet searching turns up.

Conversely, are you the embodiment of the state of Arizona? You never miss an opportunity to tell everyone how much better it is living there. :rolleyes
 
Even the roads in Alaska, where they spend all winter bulldozing the ice and snow off, are better than California's. :|
 
Nitewaif said:
Even the roads in Alaska, where they spend all winter bulldozing the ice and snow off, are better than California's. :|
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They're not in Fairbanks. And still, how many paved miles of road does Alaska have? :p
 
Kornholio said:
I'm not. I'm exposing the crap of people that hate on California for reasons that are personal or what their conformation bias-based internet searching turns up.
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I don't hate California. Lived there for ~12 years.

I hate how badly you are being ripped off by mismanagement.

You're absolutely right that the road taxes aren't being used on the roads. And that's a problem.

In other states, where they can't do that (usually because those funds are placed in escrow and must be spent on the roads), those taxes are considerably lower, and gasp, shock, they are maintained better.

It's a gigantic shell game, and pretty offensive when you think about it.
 
I've never said the management here is perfect. I've never said the programs here are perfect. I have however said that obviously something keeps people in this state regardless of those facts. Perhaps that's the part that people keep misunderstanding.
 
Kornholio said:
I've never said the management here is perfect. I've never said the programs here are perfect. I have however said that obviously something keeps people in this state regardless of those facts. Perhaps that's the part that people keep misunderstanding.
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Yeah-the nice weather. I hate shoveling snow and I'm too lazy to move to my house back East.

I'm still trying to harass you for claiming that a larger economy is superior. I still don't see why that would be the case.
 
Kornholio said:
I've never said the management here is perfect. I've never said the programs here are perfect. I have however said that obviously something keeps people in this state regardless of those facts. Perhaps that's the part that people keep misunderstanding.
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Weather & the coast, has to be.
 
This all starts with the false presumption that people only live where it's 'best', from someone else's perspective. Lots of people stay in the state they were raised just because it's what they know and that's where their family is. The range of what people grow to accept is pretty damn wide. Heck, plenty of people live their whole lives in Southern California. :dunno
 
byke said:
This all starts with the false presumption that people only live where it's 'best', from someone else's perspective. Lots of people stay in the state they were raised just because it's what they know and that's where their family is. The range of what people grow to accept is pretty damn wide. Heck, plenty of people live their whole lives in Southern California. :dunno
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I'd like to find a stat on how many people are born, raised, die in the same state. It's pretty amazing how many people you run into that have never been outside the country, or state even, hell, their town!
 
Bay Arean said:
... We are stuck in the paradigm of enclaves versus everywhere else. Watching our local hospital flounder (Doctor's in San Pablo) is very troubling. When you reach the point that only prosperous areas have hospitals, you have lost the game. (add to above considerations about housing costs, traffic, etc etc as a disincentive to run a factory here). We don't seem to have a grounded civil concept of livability.

Even the most basic tools for economic survival, like BART, are truly dysfunctional. We can't seem to get our shit together about anything. If other states have that, well, good for them.

..
I talked about cellphone theft on the political thread. If you have a chance to keep someone from getting mugged for their smartphone, why wouldn;'t you vote for it? You are supposed to be concerned with citizen welfare....
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Gems of truthful wisdom all the way early in the thread...
 
JesasaurusRex said:
I'd like to find a stat on how many people are born, raised, die in the same state. It's pretty amazing how many people you run into that have never been outside the country, or state even, hell, their town!
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Well, if you're J, it's zero unless you can find that stat. :p
 
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