tommygunracer
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ChuckBecker said:
can't deny those facts
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Triumph Daytona 675 sound off
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can't deny those facts
ChuckBecker said:
I did say "a great bike" didn't I?
I have never owned a Triumph or posted based on any reputation this company might have earned previously. Strictly based on 675 owners and thier 1st hand experiences. From PCM/ECM just going out under 1K miles to bolts coming loose left and right to Engine enternals breaking before the bike "break in" period is over. Just stroll over to 675 website and you will get a more indepth look at the list of various problems that easily surpasses Yamaha's recalls.I have rode the bike and love it but all the problems it comes with and amount of time people have had to wait w/bike in shop (1week to 2months) just makes me wonder if its worth buying just to have a bad ass "part time" ride.
ASADO
Chicken
ReCK1 said:I did say "a great bike" didn't I?
I have rode the bike and love it but all the problems it comes with and amount of time people have had to wait w/bike in shop (1week to 2months) just makes me wonder if its worth buying just to have a bad ass "part time" ride.
2 months old, 2300 miles and not a single problem. Maybe i'm lucky...
tommygunracer
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ReCK1 said:I did say "a great bike" didn't I?
I have rode the bike and love it but all the problems it comes with and amount of time people have had to wait w/bike in shop (1week to 2months) just makes me wonder if its worth buying just to have a bad ass "part time" ride.
had mine sence february with no problems 6000 miles of street & race track time . only 1 self inflicted problem a high side at sears in t2 but the bike took the crash with ease . when it comes to quality & mantence i'll put this bike right in between ducati's and the big 4 . well thats my opion anyway
ReCK1 said:I did say "a great bike" didn't I?
I have rode the bike and love it but all the problems it comes with and amount of time people have had to wait w/bike in shop (1week to 2months) just makes me wonder if its worth buying just to have a bad ass "part time" ride.
I belong to Triumph675.net and while I have had back up on the issue of my ECM going out (by one guy in the US) in no way does this bike have issues that require anything like a recall and I can't believe your using that site as a reference for your argument. If people there knew you had said the above I think you just might get more than a few in your face posts
Remember the rectifier/regulator on the Honda VFR's? Great bike but that was a problem that should have been a recall. There are a few published problems with the 2006 675 that hve been fixed by the dealers but these seem to be the exception not the rule as you try to insinuate. I've ridden just about every sportbike out there and I still believe this is the best all around sportbike I've ever had. You just can't get the mid-range grunt out of a middle weight bike like the Daytona, except from maybe the Gixxer 750. Your assessment of all the "problems" with this bike seems more like an "assumption".
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jmg893
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+1 gambit. Been a member on the 675 forum quite a while. Nothing more over there that can't be found on any honkawyamsuzduc forums if you look there too. Dont think the 675 forum will passively or actively support your statement. I'm not saying people haven't had problems. But you'll find majority happy owners there, not some plethora of discontent as you try to imply.
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ChuckBecker
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ReCK1 said:
I think you just got four 1st hand experiences posted right above here...
badmonkey
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2007 675
elka 2-way rear
pazzo shorties
GBR frame sliders
TOR exhaust
Diablo Corsa III's
4600 miles
not a single problem
i broke in the motor at GMR...
elka 2-way rear
pazzo shorties
GBR frame sliders
TOR exhaust
Diablo Corsa III's
4600 miles
not a single problem
i broke in the motor at GMR...
gambit45 said:Your assessment of all the "problems" with this bike seems more like an "assumption".
after hearing it called a part-time ride, that was it. but, i actually bit my tongue after reading the original post and didn't post the reply i did because i thought it might be too harsh, and you guys would call me angry-guy again.
gambit, i couldn't agree more. the issues were not THAT commonplace that people were dropping off the road left and right, and they were quickly remedied by the dealer. and sure, bikes have been in the shop a long time. and i personally think that was the dealers fault. my shop has been on top of things and had me in and out in no more than 48hrs. (obviously, that would depend on the problem though.)
my last point was, making decisions or comments on a bike when you've "ridden" it, is hardly considered a valid means to commenting on it's issues. riding and owning are two different things. a ride could be a test ride, and those don't count for shit except to say "oooooh, i like it." no doubt the guy thinks it's a nice bike, but keep it at that especially if you've only "heard" bad stuff from only a handful of people. and especially keep it out of 675.net if you're not an owner. the numbers of people who haven't had problems far out weighs the ones that did. i'm at a year and 5 months on it, and haven't had a problem, except for the tank filler neck paint peeling. fixed in 48 like i said. only other problem, is that i'm not at 30k+ miles right now.
oh, and bolts backing out... holy shit people, this can happen to ANY bike out there, and is the stupidest fucking thing to bring up about a bike. do you know how to fix that? preventative maintenace. go over your bike and double check shit. it takes 1-5 seconds to tighten a nut.
i can't wait to go into a honda sound off thread and make all sorts of comments i know only from other people. even though i was "rode" a 1000RR in san diego 2 months ago.
love, the angry-guy. er wait, the anti-stupid guy is more like it.
Haha, wow. Really guys, did I make something up here? I like the bike and am interested but then ran into some stuff that worried me. I was about to start a thread on here about this bike and found this thread so figured if I'm going to get feedback from 675riders on Barf, this might as well be it.
Here's another assumption, Triumph owners must be the most sensitive bikers? All brands get ragged on for 1 reason or another and I didn't even say anything bad myself, simply mentioned what I read. Are there not tons of posts about all sorts of problems on 675.net? Did I make anything up that cannot be read at the site? I don't see what you guys are getting all defensive.
And Dub713, for the record, I've never heard of any other bike's clip-on sliding off during turning except for, ready?, 675.net's 2 different cases where the guy is turn, leans the bike and the clip-on slipped off. Or the case where this guy's 675 passed Tech Inspection at track then while turning one of his bolts came lose and prevented his bike from turning left because it was stuck and the guy crashed. Could these stories have other factors, ofcourse. Maybe I don't browse enough Moto-forums but I have yet to read about these sort of problems with any other bike.
Again, I never bad mouthed Triumph, I'm in the market and coming across stuff like that just made me curious about so I brought it up. That is all.
Here's another assumption, Triumph owners must be the most sensitive bikers? All brands get ragged on for 1 reason or another and I didn't even say anything bad myself, simply mentioned what I read. Are there not tons of posts about all sorts of problems on 675.net? Did I make anything up that cannot be read at the site? I don't see what you guys are getting all defensive.
And Dub713, for the record, I've never heard of any other bike's clip-on sliding off during turning except for, ready?, 675.net's 2 different cases where the guy is turn, leans the bike and the clip-on slipped off. Or the case where this guy's 675 passed Tech Inspection at track then while turning one of his bolts came lose and prevented his bike from turning left because it was stuck and the guy crashed. Could these stories have other factors, ofcourse. Maybe I don't browse enough Moto-forums but I have yet to read about these sort of problems with any other bike.
Again, I never bad mouthed Triumph, I'm in the market and coming across stuff like that just made me curious about so I brought it up. That is all.
we're not very sensitive, just want the truth out there. big 4 owners do the same when people talk about the bikes without really knowing too much about them...
at least i'm not very sensitive... i love mine. never had any problems with it and will hopefully be riding it for years to come!
at least i'm not very sensitive... i love mine. never had any problems with it and will hopefully be riding it for years to come!
jmg893
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the two things you just mentioned are things that a responsible owner should catch before hand, either by noticing the problem or by going over their (new) bike to make sure everything is cool instead of trusting in the dealership. Same kind of oversights and/or misadjustments happen with new bike suspensions too.
I've commonly heard of forks with mismatching rebound/compression settings or the settings being way out of manuf. spec. When you get your new bike and double check these things, you avoid a funny feeling bike because an assembly guy was checking his text messages while building your bike and got distracted. Or in the case of these clip-on incidents you quote, you avoid a crash.
If you go back and read your post, you make it sound like 675.net is 1) just dedicated to 675-hating because of all the problems and 2) that the bike is so problematic that it can't be relied on as more than a part-time bike. We're simply saying that 1) that is far far far from the case with 675.net, and 2) we're just giving our experiences of riding our 675s regularly, quite hard in some cases, and having little to no problems whatsoever. There is a poll on 675.net right now giving 6 options to choose from as far as owner satisfaction, 21 people replied so far. No one chose (so far) the worst two options, only one person chose the option where they aren't happy with their 675, 4 said they'd had some issues but were still happy, 7 chose option #2 where they are very happy and definitely would buy again. Finally 9 (the majority) chose the top option #1 where they have no issues at all and love their 675. If 675.net were as you paint it, the poll wouldn't be nearly so positive. Again, yes there will be problems, but the 675 isn't having any more than the big 4 have and considerably better than the world of Buell and Italian bikes (now I'm being opinionated).
Ya gotta expect that when you come into a focused thread such as this one and nay-say, someone is gonna come back strong. But it's all love. And this is BARF afterall. Now go get your 675. I put the spurs to mine at trackdays as much as possible and it just keeps satisfyin, like Snickers.
I've commonly heard of forks with mismatching rebound/compression settings or the settings being way out of manuf. spec. When you get your new bike and double check these things, you avoid a funny feeling bike because an assembly guy was checking his text messages while building your bike and got distracted. Or in the case of these clip-on incidents you quote, you avoid a crash.
If you go back and read your post, you make it sound like 675.net is 1) just dedicated to 675-hating because of all the problems and 2) that the bike is so problematic that it can't be relied on as more than a part-time bike. We're simply saying that 1) that is far far far from the case with 675.net, and 2) we're just giving our experiences of riding our 675s regularly, quite hard in some cases, and having little to no problems whatsoever. There is a poll on 675.net right now giving 6 options to choose from as far as owner satisfaction, 21 people replied so far. No one chose (so far) the worst two options, only one person chose the option where they aren't happy with their 675, 4 said they'd had some issues but were still happy, 7 chose option #2 where they are very happy and definitely would buy again. Finally 9 (the majority) chose the top option #1 where they have no issues at all and love their 675. If 675.net were as you paint it, the poll wouldn't be nearly so positive. Again, yes there will be problems, but the 675 isn't having any more than the big 4 have and considerably better than the world of Buell and Italian bikes (now I'm being opinionated).
Ya gotta expect that when you come into a focused thread such as this one and nay-say, someone is gonna come back strong. But it's all love. And this is BARF afterall. Now go get your 675. I put the spurs to mine at trackdays as much as possible and it just keeps satisfyin, like Snickers.
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uraniaclio
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yody said:If I had a 675 I'd be all over this info
Just cuz you get all bent out of shape because of a little mid corner twitchiness doesnt mean it's not a good bike. Real men just ride it out.
ASADO
Chicken
dub713 said:after hearing it called a part-time ride, that was it. but, i actually bit my tongue after reading the original post and didn't post the reply i did because i thought it might be too harsh, and you guys would call me angry-guy again.
gambit, i couldn't agree more. the issues were not THAT commonplace that people were dropping off the road left and right, and they were quickly remedied by the dealer. and sure, bikes have been in the shop a long time. and i personally think that was the dealers fault. my shop has been on top of things and had me in and out in no more than 48hrs. (obviously, that would depend on the problem though.)
my last point was, making decisions or comments on a bike when you've "ridden" it, is hardly considered a valid means to commenting on it's issues. riding and owning are two different things. a ride could be a test ride, and those don't count for shit except to say "oooooh, i like it." no doubt the guy thinks it's a nice bike, but keep it at that especially if you've only "heard" bad stuff from only a handful of people. and especially keep it out of 675.net if you're not an owner. the numbers of people who haven't had problems far out weighs the ones that did. i'm at a year and 5 months on it, and haven't had a problem, except for the tank filler neck paint peeling. fixed in 48 like i said. only other problem, is that i'm not at 30k+ miles right now.
oh, and bolts backing out... holy shit people, this can happen to ANY bike out there, and is the stupidest fucking thing to bring up about a bike. do you know how to fix that? preventative maintenace. go over your bike and double check shit. it takes 1-5 seconds to tighten a nut.
i can't wait to go into a honda sound off thread and make all sorts of comments i know only from other people. even though i was "rode" a 1000RR in san diego 2 months ago.
love, the angry-guy. er wait, the anti-stupid guy is more like it.
Dude, you get a flat tire every month, your 675 is a lemon
uraniaclio
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ASADO said:Dude, you get a flat tire every month, your 675 is a lemon
Nah...that's cuz Dub is a sport tourer. He should really get a BMW.
ReCK1 said:
hey reck it's nothing personal really. we know you didn't bad mouth it per se, but made general statements about certain things based on what you've heard, and actually would consider it a part-time ride because of that. that's silly, when you aren't in the boards like we've been since before the bike arrived in the US, and i even got mine delivered. it could have been anyone making general statements like that, and you'd have owners, not people who read about issues, chiming in. enough of that though. we're not gangin up on you in a bad way, but, your comments just had poor delivery i guess for lack of a better word.
everyone is defensive of their brand. that's just the way it goes. if i were to hop into a jap 4 board and say what you said about any of those bikes, i'd get lit up too. especially in a thread about "675 Soundoff." that's not a discussion thread about the reliability of the bike, its a calling to 675 riders to get to know each other and show their rides. search will provide plenty of other threads where issues are discussed, and you can voice your opinion on its reliability.
as for clipons slipping... um, well, i guess i'll be blunt and say... fucking bullshit that someone blames triumph. okay, from the factory, it should be tight, and i'll bet it was, but, maybe shit happens and it wasn't. and i would first blame the dealership for not doing a proper inspection, and second blame myself for doing a proper inspection.
i don't know the details of that dude on the track, but let's be fucking honest. tech doesn't check every single bolt on every single bike do they? maybe some are more thorough than others. maybe the individual tech was rushing. and if the bike passed tech and crashed, that's the fucking rider and tech that are to blame, not triumph for christs sake. it's not like the guy got the bike and took it to the track the same day, fresh out of the box. even then, the dealer would be to blame for an improper setup. this dude had the bike on the road long before he did the track, so i blame him and tech. no way a bolt backs out from tight to loose in that time frame.
ultimitely, anything with bolts, shit being loose, chain slack or anything like that goes uphill just like the shit flows down. i'm a FIRM beliver that it's your bike, and your responsibility to keep it safe. so, number one... riders' responsibility to his bike and safety, if he doesn't want to do it, then the dealer who delivered it or his shop, and then, maybe then, the manufacturer.
ecu failing. manufacturer for sure.
bolt coming loose and you crashed because of it... this is gonna be harsh, but... fucking idiot. loctite isn't that expensive. take care of your shit.
i think it just sounded like, if you're on the market, you sound like you're looking at the situation with blinders on. i'd be asking questions to people in a thread about the bike, not bringing up a couple of small issues, and then calling it a part-time ride. ask and learn, good. general banter, bad.
again, nothing personal. it's barf afterall huh? oh, for the record again... i fucking love mine without a doubt, and if i did have an issue, i'd deal with it, because the bike, to me, is fucking awesome.
Dude, you get a flat tire every month, your 675 is a lemon
Nah...that's cuz Dub is a sport tourer. He should really get a BMW.
note to self... check the grill to see how your sport-tourer chicken strips look. they could be done. oh wait. i don't have chicken strips on the grill. i've got anti-squid with uraniaclio sauce...
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Nah...that's cuz Dub is a sport tourer. He should really get a BMW.
note to self... check the grill to see how your sport-tourer chicken strips look. they could be done. oh wait. i don't have chicken strips on the grill. i've got anti-squid with uraniaclio sauce...
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ATTN ALL POSERS;
it is just a damn bike, GTF over it! Who cares what other people think of the bike already. Do you have stock in Triumph?? Just because you bought the bike does not mean that you should be offended by others opinions of it. I don't understand people and their feeling of the extension of themselves through their bike. Just ride it and enjoy it. If someone on the internet thinks that it sucks, good for them!
I rode urineboy's 675 at Buttonwillow on monday. Yes the track, not the street like some of you chickenstrip hero's on this thread. The stock springs might be .95's but whatever they are, they suck. I am about 190 w/o gear and was bottoming out the forks all day. The frontend felt really weird midcorner, felt like it wanted to tuck. I talked to Dave Moss the 675 god who also setup the bike for me, and he commented that the geometry of the bike is setup that a lot of the weight is on the frontend, making it easy to steer which is great. The problem with this is that if you go into a turn and treat the bike like a typical 600/750 sportbike, you are going to overload the frontend. Apparently you have to ride the bike like a 250 and keep the throttle open; into the turn, in the turn, and out of the turn. It helps take the weight off of the front and put in on the rear. The bike can take it too, it just plants nicely and holds its line. I would have to say that him telling me this sounded a lot easier than it was to do. But just merely "trying" to keep the throttle open did help some, but I can't say in the 1 day of riding this bike that I mastered that.
I come from an 01 F4I, yes thats right a old honda semi sportouring bike with under a 100 horsepower. It is setup very nicely and I have spent some time making sure everything is dialed in. I got comfortable on this bike very quickly. After about 2 sessions I started getting to know it and feeling it out. The motor had great torque way better than my F4I. I had never ridden Buttonwillow and on top of that I was on a bike I had never ridden either. After blowing a turn the torque of the motor let me become really good at mastering the art of corner parking. Blow the apex come out all out of whack, and just hit the throttle and blast off down the straight leaving whoever the poor guy behind me all irritated I'm sure.
The suspension was decent except for the turns where I had to trailbrake heavily. Everytime I trailbraked I bottomed out the front suspension(I believe) However on fast sweepers and such the suspension felt excellent. Easy to steer, could approach the limits of lean angle effortlessly, and very planted. I'm sure that I can't really exploit what the bike has to its full potential but I would say that I wasn't really super impressed, my F4I felt just as good if not better, but take that with a grain of salt because like previously mentioned, the stock front suspension wasn't really ideal for my weight.
The brakes worked good, but again the brakes on my F4I feel just as stable, and thats without upside down forks, and radial mount calipers, and big rotors. Pretty much all sportbikes have good brakes these days though and the triumph felt just as good as any other modern day bike.
All in all I enjoyed riding the bike, the ergos were good for track riding, midrange power was excellent, brakes inspired confidence, bike turned in fast and easy, held its line and planted the tires like a V-twin, and the yellow matched my ugly Vanson suit
it is just a damn bike, GTF over it! Who cares what other people think of the bike already. Do you have stock in Triumph?? Just because you bought the bike does not mean that you should be offended by others opinions of it. I don't understand people and their feeling of the extension of themselves through their bike. Just ride it and enjoy it. If someone on the internet thinks that it sucks, good for them!
I rode urineboy's 675 at Buttonwillow on monday. Yes the track, not the street like some of you chickenstrip hero's on this thread. The stock springs might be .95's but whatever they are, they suck. I am about 190 w/o gear and was bottoming out the forks all day. The frontend felt really weird midcorner, felt like it wanted to tuck. I talked to Dave Moss the 675 god who also setup the bike for me, and he commented that the geometry of the bike is setup that a lot of the weight is on the frontend, making it easy to steer which is great. The problem with this is that if you go into a turn and treat the bike like a typical 600/750 sportbike, you are going to overload the frontend. Apparently you have to ride the bike like a 250 and keep the throttle open; into the turn, in the turn, and out of the turn. It helps take the weight off of the front and put in on the rear. The bike can take it too, it just plants nicely and holds its line. I would have to say that him telling me this sounded a lot easier than it was to do. But just merely "trying" to keep the throttle open did help some, but I can't say in the 1 day of riding this bike that I mastered that.
I come from an 01 F4I, yes thats right a old honda semi sportouring bike with under a 100 horsepower. It is setup very nicely and I have spent some time making sure everything is dialed in. I got comfortable on this bike very quickly. After about 2 sessions I started getting to know it and feeling it out. The motor had great torque way better than my F4I. I had never ridden Buttonwillow and on top of that I was on a bike I had never ridden either. After blowing a turn the torque of the motor let me become really good at mastering the art of corner parking. Blow the apex come out all out of whack, and just hit the throttle and blast off down the straight leaving whoever the poor guy behind me all irritated I'm sure.
The suspension was decent except for the turns where I had to trailbrake heavily. Everytime I trailbraked I bottomed out the front suspension(I believe) However on fast sweepers and such the suspension felt excellent. Easy to steer, could approach the limits of lean angle effortlessly, and very planted. I'm sure that I can't really exploit what the bike has to its full potential but I would say that I wasn't really super impressed, my F4I felt just as good if not better, but take that with a grain of salt because like previously mentioned, the stock front suspension wasn't really ideal for my weight.
The brakes worked good, but again the brakes on my F4I feel just as stable, and thats without upside down forks, and radial mount calipers, and big rotors. Pretty much all sportbikes have good brakes these days though and the triumph felt just as good as any other modern day bike.
All in all I enjoyed riding the bike, the ergos were good for track riding, midrange power was excellent, brakes inspired confidence, bike turned in fast and easy, held its line and planted the tires like a V-twin, and the yellow matched my ugly Vanson suit
uraniaclio
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yody said:ATTN ALL POSERS;
it is just a damn bike, GTF over it! Who cares what other people think of the bike already. Do you have stock in Triumph?? Just because you bought the bike does not mean that you should be offended by others opinions of it. I don't understand people and their feeling of the extension of themselves through their bike. Just ride it and enjoy it. If someone on the internet thinks that it sucks, good for them!
I rode urineboy's 675 at Buttonwillow on monday. Yes the track, not the street like some of you chickenstrip hero's on this thread. The stock springs might be .95's but whatever they are, they suck. I am about 190 w/o gear and was bottoming out the forks all day. The frontend felt really weird midcorner, felt like it wanted to tuck. I talked to Dave Moss the 675 god who also setup the bike for me, and he commented that the geometry of the bike is setup that a lot of the weight is on the frontend, making it easy to steer which is great. The problem with this is that if you go into a turn and treat the bike like a typical 600/750 sportbike, you are going to overload the frontend. Apparently you have to ride the bike like a 250 and keep the throttle open; into the turn, in the turn, and out of the turn. It helps take the weight off of the front and put in on the rear. The bike can take it too, it just plants nicely and holds its line. I would have to say that him telling me this sounded a lot easier than it was to do. But just merely "trying" to keep the throttle open did help some, but I can't say in the 1 day of riding this bike that I mastered that.
I come from an 01 F4I, yes thats right a old honda semi sportouring bike with under a 100 horsepower. It is setup very nicely and I have spent some time making sure everything is dialed in. I got comfortable on this bike very quickly. After about 2 sessions I started getting to know it and feeling it out. The motor had great torque way better than my F4I. I had never ridden Buttonwillow and on top of that I was on a bike I had never ridden either. After blowing a turn the torque of the motor let me become really good at mastering the art of corner parking. Blow the apex come out all out of whack, and just hit the throttle and blast off down the straight leaving whoever the poor guy behind me all irritated I'm sure.
The suspension was decent except for the turns where I had to trailbrake heavily. Everytime I trailbraked I bottomed out the front suspension(I believe) However on fast sweepers and such the suspension felt excellent. Easy to steer, could approach the limits of lean angle effortlessly, and very planted. I'm sure that I can't really exploit what the bike has to its full potential but I would say that I wasn't really super impressed, my F4I felt just as good if not better, but take that with a grain of salt because like previously mentioned, the stock front suspension wasn't really ideal for my weight.
The brakes worked good, but again the brakes on my F4I feel just as stable, and thats without upside down forks, and radial mount calipers, and big rotors. Pretty much all sportbikes have good brakes these days though and the triumph felt just as good as any other modern day bike.
All in all I enjoyed riding the bike, the ergos were good for track riding, midrange power was excellent, brakes inspired confidence, bike turned in fast and easy, held its line and planted the tires like a V-twin, and the yellow matched my ugly Vanson suit
Don't u have like Lindemann built front forks, Penske triple clicker, Frodo Baggins race pads, Brembo master cylinder, 520 conversion, PC, and aftermarket slipon and 2 teeth down front sprocket on your f4i? You're comparing apples and oranges here. My 675 is bone stock except rearsets and 15 tooth front sprocket. I'll take a bone stock 675 over just about any stock bike except maybe 07 CBR600RR. Also, you prolly weigh about 210-215 range with full gear. No stock springs will support that. Yeah I've been feeling the mid-corner twitchiness and have been complaining about it. So far, I've been able to ride through it. I have yet to lose the front on the 675. Came close a couple of times but not yet.