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When guns become a fetish.

Climber

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D.A.: S.F. Muni killer was 'hunting' for victims
San Francisco prosecutors filed murder and assault charges Friday against a 30-year-old man accused of shooting a college student to death as he stepped off a Muni train, saying the suspect was hunting human prey before settling upon his final victim.

District Attorney George Gascón also said that just before shooting San Francisco State student Justin Valdez, 20, on Monday night near Valdez's home, the suspect brandished his gun brazenly on the light-rail car, with little effect.
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First off, I am not anti-gun, I own a number of guns, have been shooting since I was 5 years old and enjoy shooting.

I'm not anti-gun ownership, I own guns and think that every responsible person should be allowed to own guns If they can own them responsibly.

But, it's clear that for some, guns become a fetish, and when they reach this point it becomes potentially dangerous for others.

A gun fetish can take on different outcomes, but in this case it seems to be that he aquired all those guns, then wanted to use them. After all, what's the point of owning all those guns (in his case) if you can't shoot something (or in his case, somebody).

The people who scare me the most are the ones who fixate on guns, and often the most visible of these are the Open Carry activists.

The people whom I am the least comfortable with owning guns are the ones most passionate and outspoken about gun ownership rights. Ironically, these are the people that give the other side the most ammunition to ban gun ownership.

Thoughts?
 
Are you saying that because this guy owned a gun, it gave him the desire to hunt humans?
 
Just a big ole can o'worms. I agree, some of the right wing guys are doing nothing to help their cause (because they come off as nuts), they are bringing a lot of attention to their crazy selves, and doing more harm than good.
 
I read the article you linked, and see no mention of open carry activists.

I'm puzzled- how are they connected to this incident in your mind?
 
Climber said:
But, it's clear that for some, guns become a fetish, and when they reach this point it becomes potentially dangerous for others.

A gun fetish can take on different outcomes, but in this case it seems to be that he aquired all those guns, then wanted to use them. After all, what's the point of owning all those guns (in his case) if you can't shoot something (or in his case, somebody).
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I don't get it......So the more guns someone owns, the more likely they'll kill someone? :wtf

Tell that to most thugs, who only own one gun......Some POS they bought off the street.

The more guns someone owns, they more likely they're just a collector. It says absolutely nothing about their likelihood to "go postal".

Wrong forum btw.
 
MysterYvil said:
I read the article you linked, and see no mention of open carry activists.

I'm puzzled- how are they connected to this incident in your mind?
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The thread is about when guns become a fetish to somebody and what it means, which is a broad assortment of things, some benign and other potentially very dangerous.
 
Reli said:
I don't get it......So the more guns someone owns, the more likely they'll kill someone? :wtf

Tell that to most thugs, who only own one gun......Some POS they bought off the street.

The more guns someone owns, they more likely they're just a collector. It says absolutely nothing about their likelihood to "go postal".

Wrong forum btw.
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Why wrong forum? Is there a Gun forum?

This isn't political, it's more about when someone becomes fixated on guns.
 
Climber said:
Why wrong forum? Is there a Gun forum?

This isn't political, it's more about when someone becomes fixated on guns.
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I saw nothing in the article stating he was fixated on guns or had a fetish for guns. "Oh so many guns we didn't know he had that many" could just as easily apply to any number of things. Parents with a 30 year old kid living under their roof probably aren't micromanaging his life and tallying up every video game, movie, gun, t shirt, pair of pants, suit, etc he owns. I think you're reaching on this one dude the only thing it looks like he fixated on according to the article was lashing out at others.
 
Climber said:
The thread is about when guns become a fetish to somebody and what it means, which is a broad assortment of things, some benign and other potentially very dangerous.
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So, you're conflating what you call a "gun fetishist" with open carry advocates. Got it.
 
Reli said:
Tell that to most thugs, who only own one gun......Some POS they bought off the street.
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Not to threadjack, but I've known a fair number of thugs, and many had more than one firearm.

And what we bought off the street (at least in the 80s) were not POS guns. I picked up a S&W Model 19 .357 and a military M1911 Colt .45 at $150 (for both), and a S&W 469 9mm for $225 back in the 80s "off the street." All were perfectly serviceable and reliable. None of the legitimate thugs I knew carried anything less reputable- only the "punks" did.

I just want to underscore that thugs may have real guns, do not underestimate them. (And that thugs get guns, like they get drugs, outside the constraints of law.)
 
I actually laughed at this article with my gun owning friends.

...officers seized two assault rifles, combat knives, razors, a first aid kit and other survival gear.

"You'd be hard-pressed to understand why someone would possess this type of firepower," Chief Suhr said.
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Two rifles, knives, and camping gear makes you a nut?

And this guy is "hunting" for victims? On a brightly lit Muni train with security cams?

The guy is a total nut, and guns made it that much easier to kill an innocent man. But he could have slashed the throat an unsuspecting victim almost as easily.
 
P.S. I think most of my legal gun owner friends would qualify as possessing massive arsenals, according SFPD/Chronicle standards.
 
}Dragon{ said:
Same here. A few of them even hunt humans, but they are the catch and release type of hunters...
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I catch-and-release human all the time. I tag them by inserting my penis into their orifices, and release back into the wild by kicking them out after.
 
A gun fetish shouldn't preclude someone from owning guns. Its along the same reasoning there is no defined purpose in the 2nd Amendment for owning firearms.
Recall instances of police finding a stash of guns at a criminals residence. When the crime wasn't gun related, news media and police made it a point to emphasize weapons were found. Reporting unconfirmed information, latest big Forrest fires were started by a Hunter and another started by a target shooter. This obvious switch from blaming everything on smokers, to now blame everything on gun users.

The actual story has a senseless tragedy theme. Its dangerous doing everyday activities. Step off a Bus and get killed wth. :wtf :wtf
 
The problem is that we're dealing with mentally ill people that manage to get a hold of a harmless object (gun, knife, bat, whatever...) and then uses it in a harmful way. So how do we deal with that problem? Used to be that there were more psychiatric facilities (e.g. Agnews), but those were closed down. Can't really jail someone for being mentally ill until they do something bad, and then it's too late. Banning [guns, knives, bats, whatever...] doesn't work. So what, then?
 
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