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Wine Country Ablaze

Good to hear the LEO's are watching property.

Glad you guys got some good rest. :thumbup
 
Would a gas mask (NBC type) be any use in a fire like that video above where the guy had to get out of the truck to open a gate? Or would one of those other filter masks listed in this thread be of any use?

Him mentioning he burned his hands opening the gate made me realize a good set of welding gloves would be handy to have for grabbing hot metal and such like that.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Would a gas mask (NBC type) be any use in a fire like that video above where the guy had to get out of the truck to open a gate? Or would one of those other filter masks listed in this thread be of any use?

Him mentioning he burned his hands opening the gate made me realize a good set of welding gloves would be handy to have for grabbing hot metal and such like that.
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Will they protect you from smoke? sure.
Will they protect you from carbon monoxide or other gases released from combustion? nope

filters remove particulates from the air, typically not gases.

You can get an escape respirator which typically has a 15 minute oxygen can that produces positive pressure in a hood preventing gases from entering
 
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PSA:

Lowes in Rohnert Park just got a shipment of 3M N95/masks in. They have 2 count and 10 count packs.

$6+ for 2 and $19.99 for 10.
 
rsrider said:
PG&E may be to blame.

https://qz.com/1103549/pge-is-being-investigated-for-the-napa-fire-in-california/
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Certainly wouldn't be the 60+ mph winds right?

I mean, freak nature shouldn't be held responsible for being freaky right?

We should totally plan on the worst at all times and I certainly would be willing to pay higher rates for the security that should the freaky happen, we are prepared.

I think pg&e should offer free service until they have provided us a safe place to live without fear of freak occurrences damaging their infrastructure.
 
i_am_the_koi said:
Certainly wouldn't be the 60+ mph winds right?

I mean, freak nature shouldn't be held responsible for being freaky right?

We should totally plan on the worst at all times and I certainly would be willing to pay higher rates for the security that should the freaky happen, we are prepared.

I think pg&e should offer free service until they have provided us a safe place to live without fear of freak occurrences damaging their infrastructure.
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Sure, I get that sentiment. But PG&E have proven themselves to be negligent scum fuck bastards time and again. .

In the end, however, you're correct. We'll all pay for whatever penance they pay.
 
Blaming them for a gas line that explodes randomly.

Totally understandable.


Blaming them for the weather?

Really?
 
i_am_the_koi said:
Blaming them for a gas line that explodes randomly.

Totally understandable.


Blaming them for the weather?

Really?
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Doesn't seem like it's about the weather. But that they potentially didn't keep trees trimmed as they were supposed to be.

Considering this was the cause of the Butte fire, it doesn't seem that rare of an occurrence.

Yeah, weather happened to make it worse. But the weather wouldn't have anything to make worse if PG&E had kept their shit trimmed.

Of course, PG&E's involvement at this time isn't definitive.
 
RightCoastBias said:
Doesn't seem like it's about the weather. But that they potentially didn't keep trees trimmed as they were supposed to be.

Considering this was the cause of the Butte fire, it doesn't seem that rare of an occurrence.

Yeah, weather happened to make it worse. But the weather wouldn't have anything to make worse if PG&E had kept their shit trimmed.

Of course, PG&E's involvement at this time isn't definitive.
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So who's responsibility is the trees? My last place had 3 oak trees on it. All three needed some serious care, one of which looked like a 'Y' when PGE was done with it because their wires were strung right through the middle. We all know that makes trees weak. I wanted to trim them all, and remove the one under/around the power lines. The county strung up so much red tape I abandoned the effort. I moved. One of the trees dropped a limb I had my eyes on. It cost the next home owners insurance company a boat-load.

In San Francisco, the trees have been kept in a way that makes them dangerous and weak. This by the city gardeners. Then they 'give' the trees to the citizens and they start dropping on MUNI wires, power lines, and phone/cable lines. Who's fault is that? Technically they belong to the homeowner now.

And then let's just talk about a defensible home. The firefighters will drive right past your place in a fire if it doesn't look definsible. They won't even stop to assess it. Most homeowners who live in the interface zones take decent fire protection efforts. Most that live in rural zones do not. There are still some communities in the Bay Area that are in extreme danger of complete devastation and they didn't do anything after the Oakland Hills fire. They didn't do anything after Clear Lake, and they wont do anything after this round. If a fire starts in these places at night, they will all die. But they want their houses built under trees and with nature surrounding them, even though the next house is 50 feet away. How can they protect your stuff if you're not willing to protect it yourself?
 
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i_am_the_koi said:
Certainly wouldn't be the 60+ mph winds right?

I mean, freak nature shouldn't be held responsible for being freaky right?

We should totally plan on the worst at all times and I certainly would be willing to pay higher rates for the security that should the freaky happen, we are prepared.

I think pg&e should offer free service until they have provided us a safe place to live without fear of freak occurrences damaging their infrastructure.
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I think people should shut off their power and live in the dark to protest.
 
boney said:
So who's responsibility is the trees? My last place had 3 oak trees on it. All three needed some serious care, one of which looked like a 'Y' when PGE was done with it because their wires were strung right through the middle. We all know that makes trees weak. I wanted to trim them all, and remove the one under/around the power lines. The county strung up so much red tape I abandoned the effort. I moved. One of the trees dropped a limb I had my eyes on. It cost the next home owners insurance company a boat-load.

In San Francisco, the trees have been kept in a way that makes them dangerous and weak. This by the city gardeners. Then they 'give' the trees to the citizens and they start dropping on MUNI wires, power lines, and phone/cable lines. Who's fault is that? Technically they belong to the homeowner now.

And then let's just talk about a defensible home. The firefighters will drive right past your place in a fire if it doesn't look definsible. They won't even stop to assess it. Most homeowners who live in the interface zones take decent fire protection efforts. Most that live in rural zones do not. There are still some communities in the Bay Area that are in extreme danger of complete devastation and they didn't do anything after the Oakland Hills fire. They didn't do anything after Clear Lake, and they wont do anything after this round. If a fire starts in these places at night, they will all die. But they want their houses built under trees and with nature surrounding them, even though the next house is 50 feet away. How can they protect your stuff if you're not willing to protect it yourself?
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From the article, it seems PG&E is responsible to keep the trees away from power lines.

As for a defensible home, I understand what you're saying and it makes sense. But that has nothing to do with PG&E, unless you're saying PG&E did not maintain a defensive zone around their power lines.
 
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i_am_the_koi said:
Blaming them for a gas line that explodes randomly.

Totally understandable.


Blaming them for the weather?

Really?
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The gas line didn't explode randomly, it was dues to years of neglect and after they had been given $Billions in ratepayer money to replace aging pipelines...twice, and did nothing but lose many of their records.

In similar fashion, PG&E has been given a ton of money to maintain the distance between power lines and trees, once again they have not done proper maintenance while at the same time giving out huge bonuses to their execs and now we have another tragedy that could have been avoided.

Personally, if they are found to have committed gross negligence once again, there should be criminal charges brought against the decisionmakers in the company. They have proven time and time again to not give a fuck about the safety of their customers and criminal disregard for their obligations.

The ONLY way to stop that is with criminal charges.
 
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