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Ford Ranger 4x4 vs Honda Ridgeline 4x4

I kind of wish Subaru would make weird cars again like the BRAT and Baja.
 
I literally lost track of how many Rangers I owned. The biggest repair was one clutch. One starter, and one tie rod. I bought them for my business and also private use. Ran them 80k, sold them for a good price and bought another.

I never regretted owning a Ranger.
 
Yakoo752 said:
They're "ballpark" 304-40k

Nice though
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Nah. It's built off of the Tucson so probably more like very high $20k to mid $30k range. Could be going after a segment of buyers who are priced out of a Ridgeline but want that style of...truck. I don’t hate it.
 
Johndicezx9 said:
I will have to remember not to think of it as the new Rampage....

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:laughing

(But overall I kinda like the Santa Cruz.)
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Back in high school my friend had a Rampage exactly like that. He could execute an e-brake induced J Turn with surgical precision. :laughing
 
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Santa Cruz looks terrible. Why would anyone want this? I'm pretty sure I can easily fit all the stuff they fit in that "bed" in our family car trunk.
 
mrzuzzo said:
I'm pretty sure I can easily fit all the stuff they fit in that "bed" in our family car trunk.
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True, but the pic is probably to appeal tot he lifestyle crowd someone else mentioned. Hauling bags of mulch or manure from the Depot, bicycles, the odd piece of furniture you buy on craigslist, etc are all easier in a bed. Plus you can hose it out. It definietly has utility.

stangmx13 said:
It's gonna be funny seeing someone on the freeway with a kayak out the back of that thing.
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The bed is 4ft so a small kayak might work. A roof rack and a goalpost on the back and it's totally doable. I'm sure I get some looks doing that in my grocery getter when we take the tandem 18ft to the lake.
 
easter bunny said:
True, but the pic is probably to appeal tot he lifestyle crowd someone else mentioned. Hauling bags of mulch or manure from the Depot, bicycles, the odd piece of furniture you buy on craigslist, etc are all easier in a bed. Plus you can hose it out. It definietly has utility.


The bed is 4ft so a small kayak might work. A roof rack and a goalpost on the back and it's totally doable. I'm sure I get some looks doing that in my grocery getter when we take the tandem 18ft to the lake.
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Yea, I think it looks good. The styling is definitely much better/more friendly than other, bigger trucks, which all look like big, angry pigs. I think that there is probably an ok market for this, especially with people who live is denser city/suburbs, but like to go out into the wilderness over the weekend with some outdoorsy toys
 
I like this. The fact it's built in the US is almost enough to make me consider one vs the Maverick which will be built in Mexico. Some people need trucks. I don't - I absolutely hate them. This is aimed at me. I unfortunately need a utilitarian vehicle and don't have the budget or space for anything but a single daily driver. This ticks a lot of boxes. I've hunted for an older Sport Trac too, but everything is astronomically overpriced. Guaranteed this will be 35-40 with AWD and some options.
 
easter bunny said:
I like this. The fact it's built in the US is almost enough to make me consider one vs the Maverick which will be built in Mexico. Some people need trucks. I don't - I absolutely hate them. This is aimed at me. I unfortunately need a utilitarian vehicle and don't have the budget or space for anything but a single daily driver. This ticks a lot of boxes. I've hunted for an older Sport Trac too, but everything is astronomically overpriced. Guaranteed this will be 35-40 with AWD and some options.
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I really like the concept but they missed for me with just a 4ft bed. At minimum I need 5, 5.5 ft would be perfect.
 
easter bunny said:
I like this. The fact it's built in the US is almost enough to make me consider one vs the Maverick which will be built in Mexico. Some people need trucks. I don't - I absolutely hate them. This is aimed at me. I unfortunately need a utilitarian vehicle and don't have the budget or space for anything but a single daily driver. This ticks a lot of boxes. I've hunted for an older Sport Trac too, but everything is astronomically overpriced. Guaranteed this will be 35-40 with AWD and some options.
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Just wait 6-8 months after launch and they will be on fire sale. I just don't see why anyone would want one. Literally less utility and space than a full size family car. My road bike won't even fit in that so called "truck" but it does in our car with the seats folded down. Only slightly less worse than a Sport Trac, which also nobody bought.
 
So on the bookface, there’s a group called life at a car dealership. And it’s mostly like a reverse Yelp of salespeople whining about customers who come in to look at a new $40k vehicle and they’ve got a nothing but a broke dick trade with $5k negative equity and a 550 credit score. Also seems to be fairly dominant on there is the absolute non stop shitting on everything Kia/Hyundai. Then you’ll get a Kia salesperson say “I don’t see what all the hate is about” or something like that. The punchline comes when someone reposnds “yeah me neither, I love these things. But I’m a parts manager who had to order five engines last week.”
 
TheRobSJ said:
So on the bookface, there’s a group called life at a car dealership. And it’s mostly like a reverse Yelp of salespeople whining about customers who come in to look at a new $40k vehicle and they’ve got a nothing but a broke dick trade with $5k negative equity and a 550 credit score. Also seems to be fairly dominant on there is the absolute non stop shitting on everything Kia/Hyundai. Then you’ll get a Kia salesperson say “I don’t see what all the hate is about” or something like that. The punchline comes when someone reposnds “yeah me neither, I love these things. But I’m a parts manager who had to order five engines last week.”
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This really shows the difference between anecdotes and data. Consumer Reports (generally a pretty reliable source) puts Hyundai as 6th from the best in overall brand reliability. The ones that beat it are the expected Japanese brands (Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Honda), and, the one that surprised me, Buick. To be fair, Kia does a little bit worse, at 15th from the best, falling right after Audi and Nissan

Since we are talking about trucks, though, it would be good to take a note of the major competition. Ford is 22nd (out of 26 brands rated), Chevy is 17th, GMC is 16th. Good job to RAM though, they are actually 7th, just behind Hyundai.
Also interesting to note, the single worst vehicle in terms of reliability is a tie between the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra 1500. The Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon twins are 6th from the bottom.

I honestly wonder how long Hyundai (and Kia) will have to make very reliable and good cars before they will shake off the stigma from their earlier struggles.

With that being said, I think that their little truck would probably do alright. It would have been cool to see a small, efficient single cab or extended cab with a larger bed, which could target the work truck market, but I'm not sure that truck guys can be convinced to step away from the major brands for their trucks, there is a lot of brand loyalty there which weekend adventure types don't have.
 
TheRobSJ said:
So on the bookface, there’s a group called life at a car dealership. And it’s mostly like a reverse Yelp of salespeople whining about customers who come in to look at a new $40k vehicle and they’ve got a nothing but a broke dick trade with $5k negative equity and a 550 credit score. Also seems to be fairly dominant on there is the absolute non stop shitting on everything Kia/Hyundai. Then you’ll get a Kia salesperson say “I don’t see what all the hate is about” or something like that. The punchline comes when someone reposnds “yeah me neither, I love these things. But I’m a parts manager who had to order five engines last week.”
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The funny thing about this is I have a 800+ credit score and no trade, let alone something with negative equity, but I keep driving my old stuff because I hate the car buying experience so much. :laughing
 
ScarySpikes said:
The ones that beat it are the expected Japanese brands (Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Honda), and, the one that surprised me, Buick.
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Yea, Buick has been high for some time.

It's like Buick has enough margin to make it worth putting the extra $$$ into quality control, but not enough to load it down with techno stuff like a Cadillac to make it break worthy.

There was that article recently, something like "We lose 100K vehicle sales a year due to quality".

And, I guess I just don't understand why this is. I don't understand how one company is significant lower quality than another, unless they simply choose to be. They simply choose to not go the extra mile necessary to bump the quality up. And I mean on fundamental stuff (like motors and drive trains), not infotainment tech stuff. Seals, gaskets, bearings. You don't replace transmissions because the flat panel is fritzing out.

Because it seems to me that this is a known field. That the Japanese demonstrated how they do it, how they lifted their industry up. Engineers, designers, machinists, etc. KNOW how to do this.

They just...don't.
 
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