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Civil Disobediance

Meter Man said:
Certainly the recent bike/moto incident made me think about hit and run more. Precious I couldn't think of any scenario wherein I could hit someone on the motorcycle and be able to flee due to injuries or damage to the bike.

I shall definitely include this in my risk tolerance considerations.

And you are correct I would not hit and run.
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You could hit a pedestrian or a bicyclist. You could cause an accident between other vehicles, and flee the scene. All without damage to your moto. Perhaps you may not even notice you were the cause.
 
You remind me of a guy my Dad knows. Guess he wouldn't put the current registration tag on his plate, I don't know why. Well the guy gets pulled over for expired tags even though he has the sticker. In the process of getting out the registration guy pulls off his seat belt, cop says, oh your registration is fine but here is a $160 ticket for no seat belt. I don't need to actively seek out reasons to get pulled over, but to each their own.
 
ratsblast said:
You remind me of a guy my Dad knows. Guess he wouldn't put the current registration tag on his plate, I don't know why. Well the guy gets pulled over for expired tags even though he has the sticker. In the process of getting out the registration guy pulls off his seat belt, cop says, oh your registration is fine but here is a $160 ticket for no seat belt. I don't need to actively seek out reasons to get pulled over, but to each their own.
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So I should worry about corrupt cops ticketing me for something that isn't true. Check.

I'll wait for my first seatbelt ticket on the bike. :teeth
 
I don't understand why you would intentionally bring official attention onto yourself. Civil disobedience? What do you expect to happen, that they will change the laws so you won't have to run a plate? I can't see any circumstance where not running a license plate won't end up costing you money (other than the one cop letting you go), since even a fix-it ticket is $20 now.
 
The main reason I don't speed and that I do display plates is so that I don't waste LEO time on nothing, and they can stay on point.

Having said that, I live in Salinas, so it's likely a different ballgame. :)

And having said that that, I am irked by the same issues, MM.
 
I may or may not run into some mud somewhere that may or may not get planted/stuck to my plate...
 
Plates do serve an important purpose. If I recall, there was at least one Barfer whose stolen bike was recovered because he/she posted the plate number and a picture, and another Barfer actually saw the bike in SF!

Moto thefts happen on the regular, you'll see at least one per 2 weeks on barf.

Cops actively scan plates of bikes, even if most thiefs know to remove the plate. I was at work until sundown, walking towards my bike, I saw a cop scanning the plate and thought he was gonna ticket me, but instead he drove away.

The cop you encountered, other than being unbelievably cool, was probably more just gauging to see if you were a thief.
 
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Meter Man said:
Thanks for thinking I'm special.
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Assuming your posts match your actual opinion, please clarify a couple questions.

1. Do you believe that no vehicles should have license plates, or just motorcycles? If just motorcycles, then why?

2. Would you feel more comfortable/safe/free on a freeway full of drivers piloting unlicensed vehicles?

Gandhi said it best,

"If America stands for freedom, and you think that your free. Try walking into a deli, and urinating on the cheese!"
 
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corndog67 said:
I don't understand why you would intentionally bring official attention onto yourself. Civil disobedience? What do you expect to happen, that they will change the laws so you won't have to run a plate? I can't see any circumstance where not running a license plate won't end up costing you money (other than the one cop letting you go), since even a fix-it ticket is $20 now.
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I don't expect them to change the law.

But it avoids many of the unethical laws that affect motorists. Red light cameras, toll roads/bridges, speed cameras, plate readers, etc. I believe ignoring laws is a strong force in them being eliminated or simply not enforced.

One of the things I asked the officer today "If plates are for safety, why does the state allow under 50cc scooters to operate without plates?" I think this is what tipped the scales to no ticket.
 
RightCoastBias said:
I haven't had a plate since January. But that's because I lost it on a ride and haven't been able to force myself to the DMV.
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Protip: file the police report before, as the DMV requires it before a replacement plate can be issued.

Night Nez said:
My plate fell off on the way to work on Friday. In no hurry to waste my life in the DMV. I am just going to wait until I get a fix it ticket. Although, my ancestors are from Africa so I might get shot when the police notice.
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Like South Africa? I didn't know the Dutch were so persecuted.

I apologize for my boorish post.

Stop resisting!

sanjuro said:
Rules are for people without ethics.
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I'm not willing to get into a knife fight about it with you, but your philosophy leaves something to be desired.
 
Because 50cc scooters = motorcycle

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cfives said:
Assuming your posts match your actual opinion, please clarify a couple questions.

1. Do you believe that no vehicles should have license plates, or just motorcycles? If just motorcycles, then why?

2. Would you feel more comfortable/safe/free on a freeway full of drivers piloting unlicensed vehicles?

Gandhi said it best,

"If America stands for freedom, and you think that your free. Try walking into a deli, and urinating on the cheese!"
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I have plates on my car. It isn't feasible, in my opinion, to have a plateless car. In my current city, you will get towed for no plate on a car but not a motorcycle.

I am not and have not in this thread or anywhere else advocated unlicensed drivers or cars. All my vehicles are licensed and insured.

The problem with plates is illustrated in a prior post "But it avoids many of the unethical laws that affect motorists. Red light cameras, toll roads/bridges, speed cameras, plate readers, etc. "
 
I approve. Not that you need my approval.

In general, I feel that licences are us giving authority to some arbitrary entity for no damn good reason, OR, us giving lawyers someone to sue.

These days, people want EVERYBODY to have a licence of some sort. Does a handyman need a licence? Does a hair stylist need a license? Does a painter need a licence? How about a bartender? Do all of these people need to be bonded? Lawyers think so.

Pilots need licences. Doctors need licences. Certainly a few others do too, but it's gotten out of hand.

Where does it end? I think society should be trusted to police itself in way more situations than it does these days. Save the police and lawyers for...more important issues.
 
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Meter Man said:
Rules that serve no purpose should be ignored. If at trial, the jury should nullify the law by not convicting. Citizens who choose to ignore Laws should lobby their elected officials and be prepared to explain to rule enforcers why they do not comply.
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Wow. A license plate has clear purpose.

You may or may not be spouting claptrap.
 
Aware said:
Wow. A license plate has clear purpose.

You may or may not be spouting claptrap.
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Your position may be claptrap or possibly Balderdash, TomFoolery, FlimFlam, Horsefeathers or Poppycock.

I am aware you are aware.;)
 
cfives said:
So, the reason cars should have plates is because they will be towed otherwise? Thanks for the reply, I do hope that this thread is a troll one, or you are an early teen.
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No fair.

You cherry picked 1/3 of the post. :afm199

I'm between EarlyTeen and Loumc/AFM199 on the scale of age. On Thursdays we wear pink.
 
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