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Does Money Make You Mean?

MrIncredible said:
And all this time I thought all the sex was leading to overpopulation.
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joking aside, if everyone has tons of sex, but not enough food, there would just be a higher mortality rate without increasing population size.

i believe you need both (sex, and resources) for overpopulation to occur.
 
TheRobSJ said:
That is a good question. If they're a homeowner in many parts of the bay area, they're already pretty much a millionaire. So what does the net worth have to be? Five mil net worth? But for sure, eight figure net worth I think would be undisputable.
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Means they have ~ a million dollar mortgage. Equity is the real question, which you elude to with respect to net worth.
 
kevin 714 said:
I don't think you know what Leninism is if you think my opinions on money resemble lenin

Outside of the domestication of agricultural animals money is Probably the worst invention in the history of mankind
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That is grossly opinionated and completely devoid of any and facts I am able to deduce without you further explaining your position. Honestly, the only obvious position that can be taken from that statement is that we should never have stopped being tribal hunter gatherers.
 
DReg350 said:
Means they have ~ a million dollar mortgage. Equity is the real question, which you elude to with respect to net worth.
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Dat. It's the difference between being a millionaire and a slave.
 
Eldritch said:
That is grossly opinionated and completely devoid of any and facts I am able to deduce without you further explaining your position. Honestly, the only obvious position that can be taken from that statement is that we should never have stopped being tribal hunter gatherers.
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We probably shouldn't have
 
mike23w said:
both contribute to overpopulation.
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Ok. So tools are the problem.

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TheRobSJ said:
That is a good question. If they're a homeowner in many parts of the bay area, they're already pretty much a millionaire. So what does the net worth have to be? Five mil net worth? But for sure, eight figure net worth I think would be undisputable.
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Median: denoting or relating to a value or quantity lying at the midpoint of a frequency distribution of observed values or quantities, such that there is an equal probability of falling above or below it.

The median sales price for homes in San Jose CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $621,000.

The median sales price for homes in Concord CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $417,500.

The median sales price for homes in Daly City CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $645,00.

The median sales price for homes in San Francisco CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $960,000

The median sales price for homes in San Rafael CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $712,000

The median sales price for homes in Oakland CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $425,000

The median sales price for homes in Berkeley CA for Dec 14 to Mar 15 was $760,000

With good credit and $160k down, you could probably buy a median house in Berkley on an income of $150k/year.
 
kevin 714 said:
I have no proof, no. I'm not sure how you'd even prove that



Again, I never said it makes you mean, I said it corrupts and hsving s significant amount of money requires some willful ignorance on exactly how the origin of that money causes suffering


You can be a nice bad person. Shit you can even be pleasant
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kevin 714 said:
I disagree. Having a large sum of money requires a willful ignorance on the nature of how that money was gotten.
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It seems that you assume that all people that have a large amount of money, got that way by stepping on all the little people. Or that they stole the money somehow. The few guys I know that I consider wealthy, got that way by working, working very hard. Business owners that did the usual 15 hour days that small business owners have to do. You've made two statements here that mentioned "how the money was obtained". Why? Is that your experience, that most successful people have taken advantage of someone else to get where they are? That hasn't been my experience at all, but then again, my exposure to people with a buttload of money is pretty limited.
 
corndog67 said:
It seems that you assume that all people that have a large amount of money, got that way by stepping on all the little people. Or that they stole the money somehow. The few guys I know that I consider wealthy, got that way by working, working very hard. Business owners that did the usual 15 hour days that small business owners have to do. You've made two statements here that mentioned "how the money was obtained". Why? Is that your experience, that most successful people have taken advantage of someone else to get where they are? That hasn't been my experience at all, but then again, my exposure to people with a buttload of money is pretty limited.
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Correct me, Kevin, if I'm wrong. I'm guessing Kevin's problem with wealth is deeper than that. He's concerned that people of wealth are using resources, destroying the earth and exploiting people in the process of accumulating that wealth by willfully ignoring the destruction left in their wake. Apple and the exploitation of Chinese labor would be an example.
 
DReg350 said:
Correct me, Kevin, if I'm wrong. I'm guessing Kevin's problem with wealth is deeper than that. He's concerned that people of wealth are using resources, destroying the earth and exploiting people in the process of accumulating that wealth by willfully ignoring the destruction left in their wake. Apple and the exploitation of Chinese labor would be an example.
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Much more along these lines


Whether people work hard for money ( or not) is of little issue. I have a fundamental philosophical issue with money as a concept
 
DReg350 said:
Correct me, Kevin, if I'm wrong. I'm guessing Kevin's problem with wealth is deeper than that. He's concerned that people of wealth are using resources, destroying the earth and exploiting people in the process of accumulating that wealth by willfully ignoring the destruction left in their wake. Apple and the exploitation of Chinese labor would be an example.
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Serious question: would the consumers that uses Apple products be just culpable?

It's an ethical tug of war: sucks to see people struggle in life without even the basics yet we sure do love our 50" flat screen tv's that cost 1/4 from just 4 years ago and those Apple phones with all those gadgets.
 
Ant said:
Serious question: would the consumers that uses Apple products be just culpable?

It's an ethical tug of war: sucks to see people struggle in life without even the basics yet we sure do love our 50" flat screen tv's that cost 1/4 from just 4 years ago and those Apple phones with all those gadgets.
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If you only have a 50" you poor man...
 
bcv_west said:
This is a really interesting article, I've never heard anything like it before. You know what would be a good experiment. Some rich guys should engineer a swap between an upper-class commodities broker and a bum. I bet the bum would turn insensitive and the rich guy would learn some valuable lessons and meet a hot, somewhat androgynous prostitute. Maybe they'd learn to respect each other and work together. Then the rich guys would be ruined, until a slumming prince playing a pauper gave them enough money to start over.
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I bet that would make a pretty good movie. :laughing :twofinger
 
DReg350 said:
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont California Household Income
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Dual income = $150k 'ish, and suggests we're both right (would make me mean that it requires a permanent life-partner to afford a house)

San Francisco $79,624 median income, Fremont $101,535 median income, Oakland $52,583 median income

Those are numbers from US Census data, knock yourselves out:
http://www.census.gov/topics/income.html
to find data you go here:
http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/index.xhtml###
 
I guess with all the shares of AAPL I have, I must be the grandest meanest asshole in the thread. :dunno
 
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