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Ev trucks - 2022+

Since this is the closest thing we have, I think, to an EV thread...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-hyundai-ioniq-6-electric-first-look-review/

Hyundai showed off their new EV Sedan.

I think it looks nice. The styling lost quite a bit from the very pretty prophesy concept to the production version, particularly because it's quite a bit taller, but still, nice.

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A modern day J30...the car that looked like it was shitting while driving.
 
Killroy1999 said:
Hey, it could be worse.

It could be a Bangle Butt.

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https://www.bmwblog.com/2015/01/21/bangle-butt/

EV discussion has evolved to design critique. Good sign.
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Well, at least for this one, this is the 3rd (maybe 4th) vehicle that will be on the same platform, with 2 known battery sizes, known power output, give or take a few miles depending on the aerodynamics known range. Styling is about all there is new to talk about.
 
Killroy1999 said:
EV discussion has evolved to design critique. Good sign.
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I’ve been critical of EV design since the start. And I truly believe that is one of the reasons that Tesla got ahead of everyone and now has a huge market share in the segment. Because up until the Model S came out, and still even today, manufacturers are under the impression that they need to make their EV look “futuristic” in order to sell. And I get that some of the design comes from being aerodynamically efficient to maximize range. But Tesla’s vehicles are plenty slippery through the air, and don’t look like it’s George Jetson’s car. Though some of their “aero” wheel designs are kinda meh.

Honda actually brought the first hybrid to market, not Toyota. But the 1st Gen Prius had a look more of “what is that like the new Corolla” while the Insight looked like an elongated jellybean. Plus it was only two seats. The Insight was a much better built car (as history has finally discovered and now those Gen 1 Insights sell instantly as soon as one comes up for sale), but the Prius are Honda’s lunch in sales numbers. Styling.

Even people who just buy a car for being basic A to B transportation…appliances if you will…they still factor in the looks. And making these cars look like from the future is not helping. Some might say the futuristic styling looks cool. But for the majority of people, the polarizing looks scare people away. Not just EV either. FCX Clarity, Mirai, and whatever the Korean offering was? They all look a bit over the top.

Let’s simplify it more. Let’s just take all these crazy looking EVs or fuel call cars and swap out their high tech powertrains for just a standard ICE setup that was competitive with the class price and features wise. Their sales numbers would be dragging dead last against all their competition. Case in point. Honda expanded the Clarity to models beyond just a fuel cell powertrain and offered it as a hybrid. Still barely sold.
 
Apparently Ford is no longer going to let EV lease holders buy our their vehicles at the end of the lease.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2022/06/buyout-begone-ford-says-you-can-never-own-leased-evs/

What's not clear is whether all EV will be lease only, or if you can buy them up front like normal. But, apparently, if you do get a lease, when the due date comes, they're taking the car back with no option to extend with the current vehicle, or buy it outright at that point.
 
TheRobSJ said:
I’ve been critical of EV design since the start. And I truly believe that is one of the reasons that Tesla got ahead of everyone and now has a huge market share in the segment. Because up until the Model S came out, and still even today, manufacturers are under the impression that they need to make their EV look “futuristic” in order to sell. And I get that some of the design comes from being aerodynamically efficient to maximize range. But Tesla’s vehicles are plenty slippery through the air, and don’t look like it’s George Jetson’s car. Though some of their “aero” wheel designs are kinda meh.

Honda actually brought the first hybrid to market, not Toyota. But the 1st Gen Prius had a look more of “what is that like the new Corolla” while the Insight looked like an elongated jellybean. Plus it was only two seats. The Insight was a much better built car (as history has finally discovered and now those Gen 1 Insights sell instantly as soon as one comes up for sale), but the Prius are Honda’s lunch in sales numbers. Styling.

Even people who just buy a car for being basic A to B transportation…appliances if you will…they still factor in the looks. And making these cars look like from the future is not helping. Some might say the futuristic styling looks cool. But for the majority of people, the polarizing looks scare people away. Not just EV either. FCX Clarity, Mirai, and whatever the Korean offering was? They all look a bit over the top.

Let’s simplify it more. Let’s just take all these crazy looking EVs or fuel call cars and swap out their high tech powertrains for just a standard ICE setup that was competitive with the class price and features wise. Their sales numbers would be dragging dead last against all their competition. Case in point. Honda expanded the Clarity to models beyond just a fuel cell powertrain and offered it as a hybrid. Still barely sold.
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Tesla was successful because they were basically the only company taking EVs seriously for a long time. The rest of the market was small hatchbacks with usually about 100 to 150 miles of range. Now we are seeing other brands start to take EVs seriously. Tesla is going to have to up it's game to compete. I don't think that they can get away with the quality control issues, lies about automation tech, years long delays in releasing models, etc. in a space where they are not unique, and companies like VW, Hyundai, Mercedes, Ford, Chevy, etc. are all delivering EVs, on schedule, with as good or better tech, and far fewer quality control issues.
 
ScarySpikes said:
Tesla was successful because they were basically the only company taking EVs seriously for a long time. The rest of the market was small hatchbacks with usually about 100 to 150 miles of range. Now we are seeing other brands start to take EVs seriously. Tesla is going to have to up it's game to compete. I don't think that they can get away with the quality control issues, lies about automation tech, years long delays in releasing models, etc. in a space where they are not unique, and companies like VW, Hyundai, Mercedes, Ford, Chevy, etc. are all delivering EVs, on schedule, with as good or better tech, and far fewer quality control issues.
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Everyone else seemed to bet on people were going to be using EVs as just “city” cars. Makes sense. EVs are much more efficient in that environment compared to piling on miles doing 70+ on the freeway for long trips. And Tesla bet on people wanting a more usable car. More space, more range, more normal looking. The only part that held Tesla back for a little while is that Model S wasn’t exactly a cheap car and was kind of out of reach for many middle class folks.
 
Holeshot said:
$35K over sticker on the new F150 Lightning:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2022-ford-f-150-2/
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Only 105 miles on it too. Starting to think that the thing I do with getting lucky and buying the occasional pair of Air Jordans or some other hyped up pair of shoes, then immediately being able to flip them for a profit…I should’ve been doing that with cars.

When I got my C7 back in 2019, they asked if I wanted to put a deposit down for a C8 (would have been a year away from that point). I shoulda done it. Take delivery at sticker, drive it for a month and flip it for a $30k profit. Hell I shoulda done it at multiple dealers. Should done with the Z06. Shoulda done it with the Hummer EV, Lighting, Bronco, hell all these hyped cars. Seems like guaranteed profit.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Honda actually brought the first hybrid to market, not Toyota.
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Oh, I'm aware. :teeth

Here is my Y2K Honda Insight.
-5 speed manual
-Very CRV from the font. Ugly in the back
-Liter car -- 1.0 Liter 3-cylinder quirky hybrid motor.

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I bought the Insight after the car was discontinued and sold it last year to get my Chevy Volt. Also a discontinued model.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Only 105 miles on it too. Starting to think that the thing I do with getting lucky and buying the occasional pair of Air Jordans or some other hyped up pair of shoes, then immediately being able to flip them for a profit…I should’ve been doing that with cars.

When I got my C7 back in 2019, they asked if I wanted to put a deposit down for a C8 (would have been a year away from that point). I shoulda done it. Take delivery at sticker, drive it for a month and flip it for a $30k profit. Hell I shoulda done it at multiple dealers. Should done with the Z06. Shoulda done it with the Hummer EV, Lighting, Bronco, hell all these hyped cars. Seems like guaranteed profit.
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Who are these people paying that much over MSRP and why. Seems like the supply of suckers must run out at some point.

I did see a Lightning the other day, and it looked good. The reviews that are coming in are making it look real real good. I didn't realize how luxurious these cars are, with massage seats and stuff.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Only 105 miles on it too. Starting to think that the thing I do with getting lucky and buying the occasional pair of Air Jordans or some other hyped up pair of shoes, then immediately being able to flip them for a profit…I should’ve been doing that with cars.

When I got my C7 back in 2019, they asked if I wanted to put a deposit down for a C8 (would have been a year away from that point). I shoulda done it. Take delivery at sticker, drive it for a month and flip it for a $30k profit. Hell I shoulda done it at multiple dealers. Should done with the Z06. Shoulda done it with the Hummer EV, Lighting, Bronco, hell all these hyped cars. Seems like guaranteed profit.
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You're in the perfect position to do this. I don't see production catching up for at least 36 months from today.

mrzuzzo said:
Who are these people paying that much over MSRP and why. Seems like the supply of suckers must run out at some point.

I did see a Lightning the other day, and it looked good. The reviews that are coming in are making it look real real good. I didn't realize how luxurious these cars are, with massage seats and stuff.
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Check out BAT or C&B. Nothing is more obvious as the immutable law of Supple/ Demand in the "hot new thang" of cars.
 
mrzuzzo said:
Who are these people paying that much over MSRP and why. Seems like the supply of suckers must run out at some point.
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People who have more money than time. They don’t want to fuss with putting in an order and waiting for months, or even more than a year, to get the hot trendy new thing. And they don’t want to wait the months, or even more than a year for the market to cool off so that you could just casually walk in and get it…because by then everyone has it and it’s not cool anymore to have it. So they know, if you want the hot new thing right now they’re gonna pay a huge premium. And this is why new 911 GT3s are going for $300k right now on the secondary market, which is pretty much a cool hundred grand more than the typical sticker price of one.
 
Killroy1999 said:
Oh, I'm aware. :teeth

Here is my Y2K Honda Insight.
-5 speed manual
-Very CRV from the font. Ugly in the back
-Liter car -- 1.0 Liter 3-cylinder quirky hybrid motor.

1915537_119766666379_8000056_n.jpg


I bought the Insight after the car was discontinued and sold it last year to get my Chevy Volt. Also a discontinued model.
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Some of the finest engineering Honda has ever done went into that car. It cost waaaaay more to build than what they sold it for. Extensive aluminum construction. All the aero tricks like the wheel opening covers and the reliefs behind the front wheels. Built on the same line as the NSX.

Coincidentally enough, some of the finest engineering GM has ever done went into the Volt. Also a car that cost way more to build than what they sold it for. They would have offset the R&D cost by licensing the Voltec platform out to other manufacturers, but only the ill fated Fisker did. And we all know the sales numbers for the Karma sure didn’t put a dent in amortizing the cost for Voltec.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Only 105 miles on it too. Starting to think that the thing I do with getting lucky and buying the occasional pair of Air Jordans or some other hyped up pair of shoes, then immediately being able to flip them for a profit…I should’ve been doing that with cars.

When I got my C7 back in 2019, they asked if I wanted to put a deposit down for a C8 (would have been a year away from that point). I shoulda done it. Take delivery at sticker, drive it for a month and flip it for a $30k profit. Hell I shoulda done it at multiple dealers. Should done with the Z06. Shoulda done it with the Hummer EV, Lighting, Bronco, hell all these hyped cars. Seems like guaranteed profit.
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I told my ballin cousin to buy abuncha c8, instead he bought the mache and tesla plaid and ordered a lightning, but yes he flipped some and made big $$$$, i dont have 300k+ cash to put up to do that, i do but tahts for another house
 
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