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Get Well Soon Frong

Damn!:wow

I'm glad someone FINALLY found him out there.

Although we are not much of friends on the board, I wish you a speedy recovery.
 
donoman said:
Definitely negligent but what about the waiver?
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You cannot sign away your legal rights under the law. Not to mention the concept of illegal contracts. Furthermore, in cases of negligence... the person can accept the risk (and be aware of it); but obviously NOT boneheaded stuff.
 
Holeshot said:
Can we not talk about lawyers and negligence when it comes to riding track. We don't need them to ruin our sport...
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I agree 100% (as I suppose most do). But, such extreme incompetence is unacceptable to say the least. Fr0ng, like everybody else, accepts the risks involved -- even possible boneheaded moves by other riders. But, not to be left out injured in the sun :mad It was fortunate that he was unconscious.

By the way, does TH have CCTV camaras at corners?
 
man this is totaly crazy. i've never met frong but i always look forward to his post. i wish the best of luck in his recovery. i donno it seems like there might be a possible lawsuit a brewin? i'd hate to see that happen though.
 
slydrite said:
wow, what a nightmare! don't know the guy, but that's just plain bad luck. I really hope his recovery and rehab go well.

for everybody up in arms about how this could happen, I can share my perspective.

I've been going to t.hill since 1992 in cars and bikes and I can tell you this is a freak incident. I've never heard of anything like this happening before.

While it's true that one of the reasons that bike track days are relatively inexpensive is that there are not a full compliment of turn lurkers, I can tell you first hand that if he did leave the track after the exit curbing in one, he might have even gotten missed by a full crew, as that is a very unusual place to leave the track......the corner's basically done, unless one were to run wide at the exit, which sounds like that is what could have happened. Also, the start/finish tower probably could not see this occur, as the track is going downhill at that point. Besides, Turbo or whoever is working the start/finish tower would not be looking that direction, instead, the main flagger person is looking down the front straight towards T15 and not looking behind them into one. Even the guy in T5 might not be able to see past the exit of one, as there is a hill between T5 and T2

So if you've never been to a track day or race weekend, don't let this incident make it seem like it's just as unsafe as canyon roads.
That's not representative of the usual experience.

The most important thing is to make friends with the folks pitted around you or if you're lucky enough to go with some friends, all the better.

hope that helps calm the "how could this happen" questions.

Rossispeed in recovery, fr0ng
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:thumbup Typically the corners with corner workers are Tower, T3, T5, T7, T9, T11, and T14. This is an unfortunate and atypical incident.

Get well soon Sami.
 
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This is NOT the first time I've heard about someone going off-track at TH & not being noticed for some time. TH/Trackday organizers need to review their turnworker policies...

Sorry to hear about this Fr0ng, GET WELL SOON!!!

Anyone doing a collection for flowers/whatever? I'm in...
 
Get well soon, Sami. Sorry to hear about your mishap. Broken femur is no joke. My son broke his in a MC accident in April and won't be walking for another several months yet. So, you'll have alot of time to recover.

I can't believe nobody saw him. I hope they will change how they watch the riders there. He may have only been saved by his leathers and helmet that kept the sun off his face etc.

He may have been conscious for awhile unable to have anyone hear his calls for help and because of the heat and shock, eventually passed out.
 
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I don't know Fr0ng but I'll just say this for when he reads this thread: Heal up man and I hope things go as well as they can.
 
This is my 1st day back on BARF, since my Surgery at Stanford.
I'm VERY sorry to hear what happened to Frong.
I live very close to Stanford and would like to go and visit him.
If anyone knows his last name, please PM me so I can go and visit him.
Get Well soon Bro.
 
Valgar said:
You are correct, something like this doesn't normally happen...the fact that it *DID* happen is complete and utter bullshit, someone needs a wake-up call over this
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If not a straight-up ass-whipping. :mad

Makes me think twice now about T-Hill days now...
 
Fr0ng,
Sorry to hear about your accident, have a speedy recovery.

Holeshot,
In a case like this Lawyers would not be a bad idea. To lay out in the dirt for over an hour? Something needs to change, forced or voluntary a change is needed.
 
Wow Fr0ng..10 pages and counting.

And you haven't even posted yet. Take a bow... you're liked round here.

I'm sure you'll be alright... Give it some time and make sure to heal up proper.
 
karlitos said:
This man could have easily died. The police and the certainly the (civil) courts would see this incident as (extreem?) negligence -- bar none! It would not have to take a crafty lawyer or DA.
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60 posts and now you're God's gift to track safety and civil litigation? :wtf

I've ridden thousands of miles at Thunderhill and seen, literally, hundreds of crashes. This is the first and only time I've heard of anyone crashing and nobody noticing. In fact, the turn workers are usually a bit over-zealous about waiving flags and shutting the track down if something happens! This is, most likely, not a failure of Thunderhill or the people who work there!

If you want to point fingers, start looking at the track day participants and, perhaps, the organizers. Every time I see someone go down (or a cloud of dust), I'll stop by the tower to let somebody know about it! How come nobody did this for frOng? Was the track that empty? Didn't the event organizer have people circulating the track looking for problems that the corner workers might have missed? Hard for me to imagine that frOng was able to fly off the track and go down so quickly that nobody noticed...


Furthermore, for a track in the middle of nowhere, with plenty of open space, there are hardly any gravel traps and proper (prepped) runoff. Some scary stuff; although americans are used to third world tracks anyway. :(
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Jesus H.! If I hear anyone else begging for gravel traps, I think I'm going to puke! :barf

Think about the last time you rode your DOT-shod streetbike across gravel: was it a fun experience? Doubt it. Now, imagine running into a sea of gravel at 100+mph. Think you're going to keep it upright? Again, I doubt it. Gravel traps might be great for cars, but for motorcycles they're a bit less attractive.

Personally, I'd be happy if they'd just grade some of the more rutted run-off areas. Then again, T-hill is already better than Laguna and Sears!
 
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