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I don’t think that people realize what a hassle and waste of time charging an EV at a station is. And if they plan on charging at home, they should make damn sure it can actually be done. And at a reasonable cost and that they can get a full charge overnight.
 
The two friends I know get by fine on Level One chargers.
 
Can roughly math those things out, like a smaller 1200w level 1 charge from 7pm to 5am is 12kwh and 3-5 miles per kwh is pretty much the range from sucky efficiency to good efficiency, call it 4mi per kwh, so 48 miles per day should be no problem with the little charger.

And charging stations aren't a hassle when you change your methods just a pinch, like instead of the equivalent of just going to a gas station and standing there, you combine charging with shopping, then it's really no hassle at all.
 
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ST Guy said:
I don’t think that people realize what a hassle and waste of time charging an EV at a station is. And if they plan on charging at home, they should make damn sure it can actually be done. And at a reasonable cost and that they can get a full charge overnight.
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Just landed in Vancouver, BC from SFO with my EV. Charging was only "complicated" once: the section that included the charging desert of Yreka, Happy Camp, Cave Junction, Grants Pass.

The trick here, is to make good use of the time and stops. I often paired charging with meals to minimize the impact of charging.
 
ST Guy said:
I don’t think that people realize what a hassle and waste of time charging an EV at a station is.
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I waste most of my time when I am home!

I like EVs the most because of home charging. I cannot do that with my ICE vehicles.

BTW, I almost never charge at night. I charge my EV cars at 12KW as I am doing other things at home. I always have near a full charge (usually 80% SOC) when I leave home for any reason. I cannot do that with my ICE vehicles.

IMO, if the modern EV came before ICE cars, the ICE car owners would scream like hell about the need to go to a gas station when they leave home, often even for local stuff. Most people in the USA drive 37 miles per day. Well within range of the EV cars with the very least range and it doesn't take much time to charge for 37 miles per day.

And add in the other countless advantages, such as leaving the A/C on during a very hot day while parked & locked with everything else off with a doggy in the car and monitor the car temperature from the restaurant you're in or wherever, perhaps while charging at the same time if on a long trip. Also, use the cruise control on the very steepest hills if you wish. You cannot hurt the tranny that does not exist! So many little advantages like that, I would be here all day to mention them all.

-Don- Redcrest, CA
 
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The building-walls vs removing-walls psychology is clearly reflected in the topic, when you don't want the thing to work, it's very difficult for the thing to work, and when you want the thing to work, it's very easy for the thing to work.
 
We didn't buy our EV car for long distance trips. I have a full size van for those since they typically include luggage for 3 humans, 1 dog (including crate) and a motorcycle. Not stopping for gas is a nicety, but not a huge deal for me. My wife loves it though. No risk being outside the vehicle in occasionally sketchy areas, or at night in any other area.

Arguing about this is dumb. It's like arguing about chocolate vs vanilla.

I've had an EV for a family car for 13 months now. It has a range of 240mi at 80% charge. We've never charged it away from home. Our charging set-up is shared with the clothes dryer. It automatically switches from car to dyer or vice versa based on our selected program (time of day). That circuit limits us to 17mi per hour of charging. The car is programmed to automatically charge during off-peak hours, and to be ready by our departure time. IOW it will override off-peak charging when required to be at 80% the scheduled departure time. We've got it set to have the interior at our desired temperature at that departure time (heated or cooled). The instantaneous torque is addicting.
 
All new ICE vehicles verboten for sale new in CA in 2035 so might just need to warm up to the idea.

The good news is advancements occur regularly and prices will continue to go down as I don't think tariff mania is here to last though tax rebates on the Fed level may never return.

Me?

I'll keep my 1994 Miata on the road no matter what and my wife will drive her CX5 until at least 2029 and she might choose to go EV like her sister then as we drive so little and have solar.
 
budman said:
Well... Natural Gas is not a renewable and that is the largest slice of your pie.
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That is true nationally but so is the fact that coal is number two.

We thankfully don't use coal.
 
GAJ said:
All new ICE vehicles verboten for sale new in CA in 2035 so might just need to warm up to the idea.
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Well over 50% chance I will be taking a nap in 2035.

I am happy there are options and happy that EV tech continues to spiral upwards.
I probably will buy my last car ever in a year or two. That kind of makes me sad.
 
Us motorcyclists are very familiar with all the nuances of motorcycle catergoes, kinda need like a dozen to satisfy every type of ride. Then when it comes to EV's we're like, nope it has to do everything. :laughing
 
budman said:
Well... Natural Gas is not a renewable and that is the largest slice of your pie.
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That is true nationally but so is the fact that coal is number two.

We thankfully don't use coal.
 
byke said:
Us motorcyclists are very familiar with all the nuances of motorcycle catergoes, kinda need like a dozen to satisfy every type of ride. Then when it comes to EV's we're like, nope it has to do everything. :laughing
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Used ICE bike values will rise of course in CA post 2035.
 
Without looking it up, isn't a fossil fuelpower plant considerably more efficient than an ICE car engine? And they also have way better recovery of pollutants?

So even if the efficiency numbers for an EV and an ice were similar, in EV pollutes less because the power plant pollutes less per kwh
 
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Used ICE bike values will rise of course in CA post 2035.
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Don’t forget all the extra brake pad material and tire rubber shed by EV’s compared to the equivalent ICE vehicle.
 
Unfortunately, that whole gluttonous waste/excess thing has a strong connection to freedom and is baked into our identity.
 
It may be funny, but an EV does use more of these things than equivalent ICE vehicles. It’s because EV’s weigh more.
 
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