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Porsche Panamera S ?

cycle61 said:
Quote I read from a car journalist:



There once was a time when you could feel a little NSX in your Accord. Now there's too much Accord in your NSX.
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i guess they forgot to put a top f1 driver in the car this time around. but the market is probably more look at me in my 2018 nsx now, than when it was more for the driving aspect in the 90's.
 
explorin said:
i guess they forgot to put a top f1 driver in the car this time around. but the market is probably more look at me in my 2018 nsx now, than when it was more for the driving aspect in the 90's.
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As much as people fawn over "pure drivers cars" that reward those with great skill and severely punish those without (Viper ACR, Camaro Z/28, and others like that). The reality is that most people aren't as skilled as they think. Just can't quite master that heel-toe downshift? Hell with it...just get a DCT. Keep overlooking corners? Not to worry...torque vectoring will save you. Too ham fisted with turn ins? Variable ratio and assist steering is for you.

So cars like the new NSX, the GT-R, or maybe the R8 V10 with every driver aid trick in the book going maybe makes them feel a bit like a video game and less of a pure driving experience. But their maximum performance is a lot more accessible by a layman.
 
TheRobSJ said:
As much as people fawn over "pure drivers cars" that reward those with great skill and severely punish those without (Viper ACR, Camaro Z/28, and others like that). The reality is that most people aren't as skilled as they think. Just can't quite master that heel-toe downshift? Hell with it...just get a DCT. Keep overlooking corners? Not to worry...torque vectoring will save you. Too ham fisted with turn ins? Variable ratio and assist steering is for you.

So cars like the new NSX, the GT-R, or maybe the R8 V10 with every driver aid trick in the book going maybe makes them feel a bit like a video game and less of a pure driving experience. But their maximum performance is a lot more accessible by a layman.
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All true. Porsche calls it Porsche Stability Management or PSM. In the pits, we call it Please Save Me!
 
TheRobSJ said:
As much as people fawn over "pure drivers cars" that reward those with great skill and severely punish those without (Viper ACR, Camaro Z/28, and others like that). The reality is that most people aren't as skilled as they think. Just can't quite master that heel-toe downshift? Hell with it...just get a DCT. Keep overlooking corners? Not to worry...torque vectoring will save you. Too ham fisted with turn ins? Variable ratio and assist steering is for you.

So cars like the new NSX, the GT-R, or maybe the R8 V10 with every driver aid trick in the book going maybe makes them feel a bit like a video game and less of a pure driving experience. But their maximum performance is a lot more accessible by a layman.
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Here's my NSX story. It's actually one of my all-time favorite cars. Back in 2001, I was thinking of buying one and found a female owned '95 NSX-T in cherry shape with 30K or so in the ODO. She wanted 35K. I drove it, and it was obviously everything I thought it would be. I actually had the cash in my pocket, but decided to buy a new BMW 330ci instead.

The 330ci is probably worth $5K now, and the NSX... well...

Live and learn! I was 23!
 
TheRobSJ said:
As much as people fawn over "pure drivers cars" that reward those with great skill and severely punish those without (Viper ACR, Camaro Z/28, and others like that). The reality is that most people aren't as skilled as they think. Just can't quite master that heel-toe downshift? Hell with it...just get a DCT. Keep overlooking corners? Not to worry...torque vectoring will save you. Too ham fisted with turn ins? Variable ratio and assist steering is for you.

So cars like the new NSX, the GT-R, or maybe the R8 V10 with every driver aid trick in the book going maybe makes them feel a bit like a video game and less of a pure driving experience. But their maximum performance is a lot more accessible by a layman.
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Good post bro!:thumbup
 
billswim said:
I don't know much about the new ones, yet. $260K? I thought they were around $180K which is still pretty high but standard for Porsche. "let's take stuff off and charge the customer more" I would think the GT3 used market would be pretty attractive. Most guys buy them to pose in but they're really trackday cars. Not much fun on the street. Most of 'em never see the track or maybe just once and then get driven to cars 'n coffee. I would think one of those guys would be willing to sell for a fair price after he gets tired of bashing his kidneys too many times.

I might know a guy who can at least get you a ride in a 993TT :wink



Probably for the reasons I quoted. For a long time Porsche wouldn't sell the turbo in a cabrio but bowed to pressure from their more affluent clients (rich pricks who can't drive a car worth a shit anyways) The secondary market is where the enthusiasts are and they want a coupe for the rigidity.
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I was kicking tires at the Porsche dealer in Walnut Creek and they had a used GT3 for the bargain price of $150+...(this was about a year ago). Talk about dream killing.
 
Reli said:
Same could be said for several modern bikes.
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No doubt, and I get your point.

If I'm driving 8/10 or better on a closed course, you bet I want psm. But if I'm just hooning around the sierras it'd be nice to enjoy it in the raw without all the hand holding.
 
stan23 said:
Here's my NSX story. It's actually one of my all-time favorite cars. Back in 2001, I was thinking of buying one and found a female owned '95 NSX-T in cherry shape with 30K or so in the ODO. She wanted 35K. I drove it, and it was obviously everything I thought it would be. I actually had the cash in my pocket, but decided to buy a new BMW 330ci instead.

The 330ci is probably worth $5K now, and the NSX... well...

Live and learn! I was 23!
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Wow.......and you didn't even get the ZHP package, because that didn't come out until 2003 :laughing
 
poach said:
No doubt, and I get your point.

If I'm driving 8/10 or better on a closed course, you bet I want psm. But if I'm just hooning around the sierras it'd be nice to enjoy it in the raw without all the hand holding.
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Opposite here.

Or perhaps my concept of "hooning" is more an 8/10 that involves occasional sideways excursions but hopefully not cliff diving...
 
cycle61 said:
Opposite here.

Or perhaps my concept of "hooning" is more an 8/10 that involves occasional sideways excursions but hopefully not cliff diving...
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Certainly, everyone is a little different. My idea of "hooning" on public roads is 3 to 5/10. At that pace I feel much more comfy without a babysitter than if I'm pushing the envelope f my abilities.
 
Haven't driven anything that would be considered a modern sports car at pace and didn't realize the babysitters show up that early. Ugh.
 
Yeah...it's been my experience that, even with psm off, it's pretty difficult to induce a little oversteer. I think sometimes the sensors get a little confused and just over-react.
 
CTS-V... You can turn it all off. Jus have your insurance company's number pre-dialed
 
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