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R6 vs 600rr

Kestrel said:
The 650R makes nearly 50% more torque than the CBR600RR until around 8-9k RPMS when the CBR finally catches up. Don't even try to tell me that it isn't any different in terms of mid range.

If you want power and want power now without having to rev the shit out of something, a 600cc super sport is *not* the way to go, the Daytona 675 being the exception.
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How do you manage to stay alive on your slow-as-molasses-no-torque-at-all 250?

:twofinger
 
Aluisious said:
How do you manage to stay alive on your slow-as-molasses-no-torque-at-all 250?

:twofinger
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lol seriously, this guy drives a ninja 250 and says a 600 sucks for around town?

wtf mate, its like a dude with a kia sephia saying an s2000 is shit on the street :wtf:wtf
 
Good around town:

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Yea, I mean I'm no expert on bike comparisons as this is only my second but I can tell you my '01 F4i has plenty of power for me in the low range (exponentially more than my last bike - gs500f). Granted you do get a lot more torque the higher you get in the rpm range, but I've tended to baby mine's engine up until this point, I've only gotten to 8 or 8.5 and trust me, there's plenty of power for commuting even around 4-7.
 
ucb said:
Theres no need to hit peak torque on the street at any time.
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I would disagree. Peak torque is nice as hell to hit as early on as possible. Take the bandit for example...

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*That* is sick. 80 ft/lbs right from the very beginning. Having to constantly wind an engine out to make power sucks. Especially in the city... Not to mention the additional noise which more often that not attracts the ever unwanted LEO.

Torque is what you want and you want it as fast as you can get it.
 
Kestrel said:
Having to constantly wind an engine out to make power sucks. Especially in the city... Not to mention the additional noise which more often that not attracts the ever unwanted LEO.
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I'm still puzzling over how this opinion originates from someone who rides a bike that cruises at 12k on the freeway.

Torque is cool, yes. But given a fixed displacement, I'd rather have an I4 than a twin; I like the rush of power every now and then. The 600 still has more than enough to get going at low RPM. I don't need to be drag racing out of the Safeway parking lot every time.
 
Aluisious said:
I'm still puzzling over how this opinion originates from someone who rides a bike that cruises at 12k on the freeway.

Torque is cool, yes. But given a fixed displacement, I'd rather have an I4 than a twin; I like the rush of power every now and then. The 600 still has more than enough to get going at low RPM. I don't need to be drag racing out of the Safeway parking lot every time.
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ME 2????????????
 
yeah, your argument is like basically saying you NEED a corvette to get around town, which is horseshit and you know it. Torqueless inline 4 commuters are THE most popular cars on the road for a reason.

Do as you wish, but the bottom line is, a 600 I4 is plenty for around town, there is no need to step up to a liter bike to get around town, thats bullshit and you know it

Again, there is no NEED to have those torque numbers for a street bike, if you WANT them then its purely personal preference, but I can shift at 6k-7k under the radar and stay in front of all the cars just fine, period.
 
ucb said:
lol seriously, this guy drives a ninja 250 and says a 600 sucks for around town?

wtf mate, its like a dude with a kia sephia saying an s2000 is shit on the street :wtf:wtf
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Different tools for the job. My last place of residence was twisty beyond belief and a lightweight bike provided me with a lot more enjoyment than something else heavier might have. You'll probably notice that I recently posted a thread in regards to selling it. I've moved cross country and need another bike which will better fit my needs. I don't have a city commute and would probably be better suited to a 600 than you would, assuming you live in the bay area ;) The roads here are medium / high speed sweepers and the 250 sure as hell isn't cutting it.

Is it my first bike? A long time ago. My only bike? It isn't. The only bike I've ever ridden? Heavens no.

Aside from that, the 250 cures cancer and runs down liter bikes / tomcats on 9. What's not to like?
 
Aluisious said:
I'm still puzzling over how this opinion originates from someone who rides a bike that cruises at 12k on the freeway.

Torque is cool, yes. But given a fixed displacement, I'd rather have an I4 than a twin; I like the rush of power every now and then. The 600 still has more than enough to get going at low RPM. I don't need to be drag racing out of the Safeway parking lot every time.
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yeah but its drops the panties of the wimmenz at the starbucks across the street.

A liter bike on the street is a quick way to get in over your head and rear end/smash into someone who darts out in front of you.
 
Let's try this from a different angle, ucb.

To you, what are the important aspects and characteristics of a commuting motorcycle?
 
ucb said:
Torqueless inline 4 commuters are THE most popular cars on the road for a reason
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I4s get the job done...V6s make the job fun.

Maybe that's what Kestryl is going for, but that's definately "want" vs "need," and folks "want" all kinds of different things.
 
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Power? Not a big issue. I think anything north of 500ccs will be fine. The 250 is fine if you dont slab it much. For me a 600I4 is way more than enough power wise, I dont need to rev it at all to get up to speed and stay in front of cages.

Weight-easy to lane split. 600rr does the job for me, the 650R was actually heavier.

Comfort? Yeah it matters. But my commute is 5 miles so who cares. If you are commuting 50+ miles a day I would suggest a more comfy bike, 20 miles or less I think its a moot point honestly.

Seat height? Doesnt matter to me, im 6' tall I can flat foot damn near anything

Storage? I use a back back and a tail bag, if you are into touring might want to get something with more storage

Bottom line is, for around town and relatively short commutes, a 600 is fine by me and many others, if anything its mucho over kill

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Torqueless inline 4 commuters are tuned for fuel efficiency. To compare that type of engine to a high strung race bike is just... Man. That's way beyond apples and oranges. That's like.. apples and eggplant... or worse.

Torque gets you moving. Don't tell me that you don't need it ;D

Look - beyond all of this.. I'm not saying that you can't do it. I just rode a saddle sore 1000 to Wisconsin from Georgia on the 250. Did I enjoy it? I was hit by a storm gust so hard that it nearly blew me off the road. My right foot came off the peg and the bike was practically dragging hard parts while going straight down the highway shoulder. It scared the shit out of me. You can do it - but there's always a better tool for the job. In the city, something lightweight with wide bars and a thick torque curve will always be a better choice over a high strung I4.
 
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Aluisious said:
I4s get the job done...V6s make the job fun.

Maybe that's what Kestryl is going for, but that's definately "want" vs "need," and folks "want" all kinds of different things.
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Indeed. I used to daily drive a 400hp monster. It was purely want, not need
 
I love the torque that my Buell puts out, and it's crazy fun in the twisties being that it has gobs of torque all over the place. However, if I need to commute anywhere more than 50 miles, I'm probably going to take my car.

My motorcycle is basically for having fun. Full stop. My Buell is a lot of fun, I just want to see what other kinds of fun are out there are find one that I like, but is different than the fun I have on the Buell.

If I was looking for a bike that was comfortable, I'd get myself a K1200 :p
 
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