You can't accomplish that with a used Brinks truck?
I can assure you're they're far cheaper to operate than an MRAP. They also lessen the appearance of the police over-militarizing themselves.
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You can't accomplish that with a used Brinks truck?
I can assure you're they're far cheaper to operate than an MRAP. They also lessen the appearance of the police over-militarizing themselves.
Shaggy
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You can't accomplish that with a used Brinks truck?
I can assure you're they're far cheaper to operate than an MRAP. They also lessen the appearance of the police over-militarizing themselves.
I don't know this for sure the layout of Brinks style armored transports, but my first thought is that the Brinks trucks are designed to be secure from the outside. The fact that the MRAP (or any military style vehicle like a BearCat, etc...) often have turrets atop (with heavy caliber guns removed) that provide cover to an operator who may be providing long range cover to operators on the ground. I don't think Brinks style trucks offer this feature.
Doing some quick research, it looks like your standard Brinks truck only offers NIJ Level II/III armor. I would assume military vehicles that can withstand an IED will provide NIJ Level IV protection since the Lenco BearCat is also Level IV.
Also, the "buy in" for a Brinks truck is likely to be way more expensive than $0.00.
Lastly, I'm sure armored couriers put far more miles on their rigs than the military.
EDIT: This looks like it would suit the bill nicely. Too bad there is no price listed on the site. http://www.cbsarmoredtrucks.com/used-armored-trucks/284-1999-used-international-4700-armored-truck/
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Tharkûn
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Not since the end of the Arnold era budget cuts. The word 'overtime' immediately causes all brass within a 100 mile radius to start bleeding from the ears
You can't accomplish that with a used Brinks truck?
I can assure you're they're far cheaper to operate than an MRAP. They also lessen the appearance of the police over-militarizing themselves.
Probably cheaper to run, substantially more expensive to buy, probably can only fit 4 people in the back
Tharkûn
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It's not providing covering fire, it's providing cover from fire
Abacinator
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The good ol' killdozer! Not much can stop that. The guy had permanently sealed himself inside the thing. He had no intention of surviving.
Shaggy
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First of all, I didn't say "cover fire." I said "long range cover" as in providing support fire if necessary to operators on the ground during an operation. This could be something like a throw phone delivery team being covered by an operator in the top turret.
Secondly, there have been plenty of situations with armed barricaded suspects where cover fire was required to rescue a downed officer or citizen.
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"...often have turrets atop (with heavy caliber guns removed) that provide cover to an operator who may be providing long range cover to operators on the ground."
No doubt they do. But I still think the argument stands that the typical police department isn't going to be exposed to the same dangers that the MRAP is designed to protect from. And the running gear in the typical Brinks trucks is cheap to maintain and or/replace if needed and the parts are everywhere. And keep in mind that the title "MRAP" applies to many different vehicles supplied by different vendors. There is no one single version and thus the specifications are all over the map. The biggest concerns are going to be weight limits on bridges as most of these things weigh upwards of 15 tons...sometimes more...as opposed to your standard BearCat which maxes out around a far more road (and bridge) friendly 8.5 tons. Also, the BearCat will hit 70+MPH (according to their specs) whereas I can assure you the MRAP will not. MRAP's are not speed demons nor were they ever designed to be. They're also poor handling off-road and extremely top heavy. The BearCat claims level IV armor, too.
Furthermore, from what I've read, the turret is supposed to be removed by the police departments before use and it appears this one wasn't. There's also the claim that painting alone is $70,000. So yes, you've got the MRAP for free, but after paint and removing the turret system, you're most likely close to the price point of a new BearCat which is about $200,000.
Lastly, I've yet to see a police department that employs machine guns and that is what the turret system on the MRAP is designed for. That turret is not ideal for a sniper without some serious modification. However that doesn't seem to matter since the turret is apparently required to be removed anyway.
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morthrane
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No worries on finding some more overweight rolling coffins, more coming!
Army gives away 13,000 $500k armored trucks for free
Operators? What the fuck do you think you're doing, playing call of doody? I thought we were talking about Police here.
Besides guys, isn't this a moot point? Obama said weapons of warfare do not belong on the streets. What are these things other than weapons of warfare?
Army gives away 13,000 $500k armored trucks for free
Operators? What the fuck do you think you're doing, playing call of doody? I thought we were talking about Police here.
Besides guys, isn't this a moot point? Obama said weapons of warfare do not belong on the streets. What are these things other than weapons of warfare?
Lester Green
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driver of heavy machinery is called an operator...drama much?
morthrane
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Gee, you can drive one of those things from the turret, while providing sniper overwatch at the same time?
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Shaggy
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I'm aware that the term MRAP is generic. The agency I'm familiar with has an International MaxxPro like the one in the OP.
You're right, the BearCat is a much more ideal vehicle since it's specifically designed for civilian LE tactical use. The problem is the cost at around $250k and I'm not aware of a secondary market. When its a choice between $250k for the perfect machine or $0.00 for a machine that will do the job although it's not the designed purpose. You can remove a screw with a pocket knife when the screwdriver costs $250k...
$70k for a paintjob seems a bit excessive. It's matte black (or whatever color the agency wants), not candy flake with three layers of clear coat. Not sure where that number came from. I would guess maybe $10k at the most if they have it repainted at all. Antioch PD's is still tan.
Of course the machine guns are removed, but the armor around them is still useful as cover to someone in the turret.
You're right, the BearCat is a much more ideal vehicle since it's specifically designed for civilian LE tactical use. The problem is the cost at around $250k and I'm not aware of a secondary market. When its a choice between $250k for the perfect machine or $0.00 for a machine that will do the job although it's not the designed purpose. You can remove a screw with a pocket knife when the screwdriver costs $250k...
$70k for a paintjob seems a bit excessive. It's matte black (or whatever color the agency wants), not candy flake with three layers of clear coat. Not sure where that number came from. I would guess maybe $10k at the most if they have it repainted at all. Antioch PD's is still tan.
Of course the machine guns are removed, but the armor around them is still useful as cover to someone in the turret.
Shaggy
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The term my agency (and many, many, many other agencies) uses for members of the SWAT team is "operator." I didn't make it up. 'Preciate the sarcasm though.
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Shaggy
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That's more along the line of what I was thinking! PD's new Diversion program!
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The term my agency (and many, many, many other agencies) uses for members of the SWAT team is "operator." I didn't make it up. 'Preciate the sarcasm though.
Dont make shit up. Morthrane told me operators were those women who work the telephone switchboards.
I misspoke. The estimate was for paint, turret removal, lighting and a P.A. system as well as reconfiguring the interior.
I didn't say the machine guns would be removed. That's obvious. I said I've never seen an American police department deploy machine guns so there's no use for the mounts in the turret of the MaxxForce model that Salinas has nor is that turret ideal for a sniper to use without heavy modifications. The worse things about turrets, from my perspective, is the availability of an entry point for grenades. However I doubt that's a threat most police departments in this country deal with.
I'm not a fan of the 1033 program simply because it is quite literally militarizing the police of America. It's almost as though police departments are trying to do the job that has been the responsibility of the National Guard for over 377 years. The police are not supposed to be the military and equipping and outfitting them as though they are military violates the first Peelian Principle:
"To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment."
Frankly, the use of military vehicles for standard police work, to include SWAT, and the uniforming of beat officers in military fatigues (yes, I know this isn't happening in Salinas at the moment) shifts the police's role away from public servant that serves at the will of the people to enforcer at all cost.