Reli
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Fair enough I guess. But Ohio State University PD? Really?
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Fair enough I guess. But Ohio State University PD? Really?
Lester Green
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shit for 2k i would buy one just for shits and giggles. to bad they don't open up a program for Joe citizen.
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Yeah, I hear ya but all I can say is that once the decision is made that an armored vehicle should be acquired by an agency, it would be irrational to spend a quarter million for a BearCat instead of picking up a MRAP for two grand. It's also important to realize that there is no unlimited supply of 'free MRAPs' so this might just be a short window for a whole bunch of agencies to acquire a tool that normally doesn't fit in their budget.
The reasons behind a university PD requesting an armored vehicle in the first place are a completely different conversation...
Reli
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Is there any involvement on the government's part to identify cities that actually need it? Rather than just whoever asks for it first?
Shaggy
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Nope.
First come, first serve. Large agencies like LAPD show up with big rigs to load shit onto 2 or 3 at a time. Smaller agencies drive them back to their local jurisdiction.
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And the training aspect of it isn't anything special. These types of vehicles do not require a special type of license endorsement to my knowledge. It probably goes a max of 50mph. A simple 10hr training day in which the officers can familiarize themselves with the vehicle is sufficient if not excessive. Roll that training day into the training time that POST requires for all SWAT teams and there is no extra training expense.
But, haterz gonna hate so keep on keepin' on guys...
The Army runs training for crews operating these vehicles. There's more to it than just driving a truck.
http://www.dvidshub.net/news/120494...its-newly-acquired-mrap-vehicles#.UxLG1su9KSM
Shaggy
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What's the waiting list like for those bread trucks?
I'll bet my department paid a pretty penny for it 10 years ago. There's nothing special about it. Just a delivery truck with some flashy lights, Line-X floors/walls and benches in the back.
We are in the process of trying to find the next military surplus giveaway, so we can see what we might be able to get in the armored vehicle variety.
Shaggy
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Not denying the cost benefit in getting the vehicle. I made a claim that it'll cost money to operate them, and that includes training. No way in hell are you going to get training for 500. My guess is you add a zero and double it...and as you stated, include a week of officer pay.
Shaggy
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These are the only two applicable courses I could find in the POST approved training course catalog:
http://catalog.post.ca.gov/Presente...AL+OPS+-+4+WHEEL&numPresentations=0&pageId=10
Unfortunately there are no upcoming dates so the price isn't listed. They are both 16 hour courses (2 days). If you think that's gonna cost $10,000 per officer you're nuts. An 80 hour basic SWAT school is less than $1,000 per student for reference.
http://catalog.post.ca.gov/Presente...AL+OPS+-+4+WHEEL&numPresentations=0&pageId=10
Unfortunately there are no upcoming dates so the price isn't listed. They are both 16 hour courses (2 days). If you think that's gonna cost $10,000 per officer you're nuts. An 80 hour basic SWAT school is less than $1,000 per student for reference.
Good to know the costs seem lower than private sector. Have had friends in LE and was always amazed how much time they spent in training. Seemed like a boondoggle and they treated it like a perk.
Shaggy
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Yeah. Contrary to 2Stroke's belief, us cops don't always make shit up.
Reli
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It takes only 80 hours to become SWAT qualified? 
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Just looked at some POST courses. Some of the SWAT classes are tuition free. POST reimburses for travel and per diem. The officers are already getting paid whether in training or not. The additional costs might come depending on whether or not the officer's current assignment requires back fill on overtime. That will be to the agency and assignment. And if you're talking about bay area salary and benefits you can probably just about double that number.
It takes only 80 hours to become SWAT qualified?
There are continuous training requirements. How long do you think it would take? These are already trained officers going into the thing. A 2-week training class is already a long time to be away from one's regular assignment.
Lester Green
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are you saying you continue to live in your townhouse in da hood (sounds like you live east of Sanborn) because you're a man of the people and you don't want to abandon your fellow apartment dwellers?
That's very noble. you're like the Robin Hood of the projects....
Shaggy
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The officer is getting paid whether he/she is in training or not, so that's not really a fair way of looking at it.
It takes only 80 hours to become SWAT qualified?
Two straight weeks of tactical training is pretty intense. Then there are POST requirements for continuous training as Bojangle mentioned. My SWAT team trains 10 hours per month (1 training day per month). There are some that train twice per month, and some that are full time assignments (LAPD SWAT, SJPD MERGE, etc...) that probably train much more often.
At my agency, when we're not at training or a callout we are just regular patrol officers with regular patrol duties.
As someone that actually holds a military operator's license for this and many other military vehicles large and small, I can assure you that there isn't much more to it than driving a truck and anyone with a standard amount of common sense can jump into the drivers seat and be safely under way in a short amount of time. 88M's (U.S. Army's MOS for vehicle operator) seriously over inflate how important they think their job is. Nine times out of ten, the operators of these vehicles weren't 88M's, they were Infantryman or Engineers who received a few hours of on-the-job training and that's it. The only people that will not be comfortable operating this vehicle will be people who aren't comfortable driving large equipment. It really isn't difficult at all. Remember who the contractors have to design the vehicle around (the dumbest Army Private) and remember that all the manuals have to be written at a 10th grade reading level. I'm sure your typical police officer can handle this thing without a full course in its operation.
In short, RTFM.