SCS rider hit by car--caught on video tape

[slo1]

Damn VTEC owned her...

But seriously, that was a pretty freak crash.

I think that moron pulled his E-brake? Looks like he was just trying to show off 2 fast & furious style... wut a tard.

I don't know how he would have gotten away with blaming the motorcyclist... How was he going to explain how his front right side/headlight was hit head on by a motorcycle?

I bet that asshole doesn't have insurance...

 

[JoneZ]

ya, smoke is a bi product of course of burning rubber

the smoke came first from the rear tire/s meaning he had to have locked his rear with E-brake, I saw no smoke from the front until later

I have a 98 civic like that, and for me to put it in a spin such as that I would most def have to pull E-Brake

the front is more likely to slide in front wheel drives, this dude's back end came around quickly

 

[OldFatGuy]

ya, smoke is a bi product of course of burning rubber

the smoke came first from the rear tire/s meaning he had to have locked his rear with E-brake, I saw no smoke from the front until later

I have a 98 civic like that, and for me to put it in a spin such as that I would most def have to pull E-Brake

the front is more likely to slide in front wheel drives, this dude's back end came around quickly

The rear brakes almost always lock up easier than the front because of the weight transfer under hard braking. That looked like a normal panic stop, with the guy steering to the right to attempt to swerve around the car in front of him. When the car started to get sideways, the front tires started skidding, too (since they can't roll sideways). There was no evidence that the driver pulled the parking brake or anything like that. He's just a crappy driver who doesn't know how to control a skid.

 

[brichter]

wow, staged comment =you idiot

boobs comment= come on guys

the fucking driver = DIPSHIT

he sure started skidding very easily? Something funny about his stopping, the skid smoked came from the rear tire and the car didn't DIP to the forward as it would, it almost looked as if the idiot pulled his parking break ? as that's how that car reacted

hm

very stimulating, I studied it alot but I'm sick, but fuck that driver X10. Look how seemingly he was the entire time, FUCKING asshole

I hope the girl is ok and gets some $$ from that. for recording the commute

Why does the fron brake on a motorcycle do so much of the stopping?

Weight transfer. Rear brakes are ineffective in hard stops because as the weight comes off the rear, the rear will lock more easily.
Conversely, more weight on the front = more traction on the front, due to more weight holding it in contact with the road.

Well, you have weight transfer in cars too. Notice the smoke on the right rear starts when the car veers to the right. You see the brake lights come on while the car is going straight, no smoke. The car turns, smoke starts. Weight transfer puts the least weight on the inside (right) rear tire under braking and turning to the right, so the tire locks, car comes around.


BTW, you knew it was coming... :boobies

 

[cruzinZ]

After the CHP watched the video he should been on the bikers side!

As for the driver its 100% his fault. Too bad it was a motorycle that hit him. Kinda wish it was an 18 wheeler, or other big SUV.

Too bad the laws of physics dont punish stupid people

 

[pandy]

wow, staged comment =you idiot
boobs comment= come on guys
the fucking driver = DIPSHIT

+10,000 I'd mojo you if I had some right now!

Nice to see someone who's actually a bit mature here. I usually roll my eyes at the leghumpers, but the "rack" comments in this thread really take the cake.

And major kudos to the women who stopped to help the rider. They ROCK!

Hopefully this rider gets things made right. What a nightmare for her.

 

[Spidi1]

DAMN!! All i can say is becareful out there ya'll. I commute to SF Mon-Fri, and sh#@ happens almost everyday. I ALWAYS make sure i'm never in a trapped situation. Well i'm glad she came out of that alive, and to the driver:finger... Waking around, acting all fake pretending to care. Props to the peeps that helped her.


Be safe ya'll!

 

[JoneZ]

hmm.. I know about weight transfer, trust me I know alot about the subject. I hit my ebrakes when the radar gun comes up just to not show my vehicle dip.. and his vehcile doesn't dip much. I do the radar surveys myself for county speed control (no I'm not a cop, I survey traffic) so I have seen 100,000 cars brake hard.

it's all plausable and I've wwatched this video 30x.

It just seems to me very difficult to spin a civic like that, his back end came around quick and I have a civic that I have locked up many times and usually the front end slips, but I could easily be wrong.

 

[JoneZ]

hmm am I really the only one that thinks that car locked up funny?

the front always skids first because of the heavy chassis weight upon the front, it's too much. I have never seen a car skid first in the rear because it's unloaded?

 

[JoneZ]

+10,000 I'd mojo you if I had some right now!

Nice to see someone who's actually a bit mature here. I usually roll my eyes at the leghumpers, but the "rack" comments in this thread really take the cake.

And major kudos to the women who stopped to help the rider. They ROCK!

Hopefully this rider gets things made right. What a nightmare for her.

ya I had to say somethin, those women did rock. They were there STAT and if I ever go down, I hope women like that will be there for me

 

[stan23]

I hope the lady is ok.

You guys are all wrong. it's very obvious that the civic had been converted to rear wheel drive. He accidently jammed the accelerator instead of hitting the brakes, causing his now 300hp civic with nos to accelerate out of control.

 

[OldFatGuy]

I hope the lady is ok.

You guys are all wrong. it's very obvious that the civic had been converted to rear wheel drive. He accidently jammed the accelerator instead of hitting the brakes, causing his now 300hp civic with nos to accelerate out of control.

Damn! I can't believe we all missed something so obvious.

 

[JoneZ]

There was no evidence that the driver pulled the parking brake or anything like that[/B]

I reject

 

[Black Ice]

hmm am I really the only one that thinks that car locked up funny?

the front always skids first because of the heavy chassis weight upon the front, it's too much. I have never seen a car skid first in the rear because it's unloaded?

I've got more experience in semis and on bikes than in cages, but consider this:

When you brake, you are attempting to slow the motion of the braked wheel. Now, when there is a lot of weight pressing that wheel against the ground, the force of braking has to overcome the friction of a tire heavily pressed against the roadway.

When there is little or no weight pressing the wheel against the ground, the wheel will stop turning a hell of a lot faster, since there is less friction resistance from the roadway to overcome. Thus, the wheel with the least weight on it will lock the quickest. I found that out the first time I unloaded 20 tons of freight and headed to my next load empty--on a wet road, I discovered the difference in brake performance with a quickness.

(I think I explained that right...I'm just a dumb trucker, ya know. )

 

[JoneZ]

no no I get ya, I meant for those little jap cars my bad

I'll shutup

 

[JoneZ]

OKOKOK

the rider even said it looked like he E-braked!!!!!!! this discussion is not solely here and I knew something was up

many people state that rear locked up FIRST

also how crazy, this is hitting home .. I know the girl, her name is Dawn and this all took place in SoCal on my home board.. That girl is tough, she did 2 120mph get offs within 2 weeks, and just straight up goes to work on the Monday fearing she would lose her job. She could probably take alot of good riders on this board as she is no joke, a very good rider.

But people are saying he did use the Ebrake, yna yna yna yna yna mother fuckers

 

[Climber]

well thats a pretty freak way of crashing. It would be difficult to avoid that because its so unexpected.

A bad situation for sure..

but not unnavoidable. She commited to the course of action that applied best during the first part of the situation but didn't re-evaluate and adjust when he came more than 45 degrees around.

Beyond 45 degrees the situation had evolved to where a course towards the left (hard counter steering) would have been a better response but she stayed with her initial action.

In fluid situations like that you have to re-evaluate many times over and adjust according to each evaluation which can be done seamlessly if you stay fluid.

 

[JoneZ]

A bad situation for sure..

but not unnavoidable. She commited to the course of action that applied best during the first part of the situation but didn't re-evaluate and adjust when he came more than 45 degrees around.

Beyond 45 degrees the situation had evolved to where a course towards the left (hard counter steering) would have been a better response but she stayed with her initial action.

In fluid situations like that you have to re-evaluate many times over and adjust according to each evaluation which can be done seamlessly if you stay fluid.

you have told alot of people what could have been done on this board, so I hope you have never crashed as reading her entire thoughts and viewing the video myself I have came to;

A) solid job on her part
B) car took misleading slide
C) she had 2 seconds to react in course of what she was doing

she backed off cause she knew something was up with the guy pre when the video started and left room, being there I would have probably done what she did but you can never say for sure BECAUSE WE WERE NOT THERE.

 

[JoneZ]

A bad situation for sure..

but not unnavoidable. She commited to the course of action that applied best during the first part of the situation but didn't re-evaluate and adjust when he came more than 45 degrees around.

Beyond 45 degrees the situation had evolved to where a course towards the left (hard counter steering) would have been a better response but she stayed with her initial action.

In fluid situations like that you have to re-evaluate many times over and adjust according to each evaluation which can be done seamlessly if you stay fluid.

oh ya and btw fuckface, this is what she had to say

"Thank you for sticking up for me - this is the kind of Sheit that I was worried about. People starting to make up weird stories about what happened. That's why I need your guy's help to help me keep track of all these link and where else it's posted. I have no illusions that I can keep control...but I can try to minimize any potential damage.

So far, I've seen comments about how:
1. I didn't react and basically just let the car hit me.
2. I reacted wrong and should have gone left instead of right
3. I was wrong for being in the center of the lane instead of to one side or the other
4. I should have braked instead of turning
5. I didn't brake or turn
6. I staged the whole thing to scam my insurance company

...there is prolly a lot more.

I'm trying to only respond from here. As you guys know, my personal website is *EDIT* - but it's meant to be a personal, small site - it's not equipped to handle such bandwith - and it's not for strangers. So whatever questions people have, they can contact me through here...any questions, I will address through here. If I didn't address your question, please U2U me or post again - I prolly just didn't see it.

 

[eisenfaust]

Wow, what a fucking asshole. Karma is gonna get him real good.

As for evasive manuevers in this kind of situation, the only immediate response I could see is throwing the bike down trying to let the bike take the damage...but that probably wouldn't work too well either.

Sliding bike and rider on the ground have less CF than a braking, upright motorcycle.

Laying the bike down is never a solution. You're just going to hit harder when you get to whatever it is you were trying to avoid. Stay upright and on the brakes until you hit, if you've got to hit.