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So, you turn diving down to the Titanic into a tourist business..what could go wrong?

tzrider said:
Yeah, there would have been at least four disparate materials used in the thing; carbon fibers, the resin matrix, titanium and the adhesive. Lots of interfaces and potential points of failure.
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Undoubtedly that thing would have functioned as an amusement park ride to 100 feet under the coastal waters for a hundred years.
 
I don’t wish to speak ill of the dead but after reading a profile of Rush, he just strikes me as the old money white guy adventurer type that people mistakenly trust because they get a vague feeling of leadership without knowing why. Descended from both Stockton and Rush, two Declaration signers.
 
afm199 said:
Apropos to nothing, back in 1969 I was living in the mountains of Wyoming in a log cabin, miles from the nearest road. Some mountaineering friends skied 22 miles cross country from Jackson Hole, stayed the night, and then we all went on an overnight climb of a nearby peak to about 10,000 feet, more or less. We then skied back down the face. Much fun.

As we neared the top, the leader, Chuck started to hesitate. Then he stopped, and told everyone to stop.

He took his ski pole and started poking down in the snow in front of him. Nodded, stopped, and told us all to take a look.

He had led us to the edge of the cliff, stopped, and through the hole I could see straight down about 2,000 feet.

Fuck me. That's nature in a nutshell. You're fine right up to the moment that you're dead meat.
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What a great story!!!

I’d light a candle for Chuck once a year or something.
 
... was waiting for that one.

Wasn't gonna post it, but I was waiting.

(Much better song than his big hit, but that's neither here nor there.)
 
Does this incident give carbon fibre a bad rap, deservingly so or not.
From the start there’s been a concerns over the 787 Dreamliner.
 
Tensile vs compression however the manufacturing process needs to be meticulous and can been the weak point.
 
Blankpage said:
Tensile vs compression however the manufacturing process needs to be meticulous and can been the weak point.
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Thank you. In the end, it boils down to this. Making it thicker only prolongs the failure. If it were a pressured vessel, like a tank for compressed gas it would be an ideal application.
 
Blankpage said:
Does this incident give carbon fibre a bad rap, deservingly so or not.
From the start there’s been a concerns over the 787 Dreamliner.
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No, it doesn't give CF a bad rap (pun intended). As we all know the Titan wasn't certified (tested). THAT was the issue.

CF has been successfully used in aircraft for over 40 years, and in space much longer than that. The obvious difference is the testing and certification process. In addition, the aircraft are given a service life for certain components as well as structure (wings, fuselage).

Testing wing, although not CF.

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Has there been any explanation on why the US Navy didn't release the info that they heard the Titan implosion right after it happened? Why wait the entire theoretical air supply time period and keep everyone in anticipation?

Is it possible they didn't hear it and are feigning abilities we don't have?
 
I’d go with Occam’s razor and believe what they said, that they heard it but were not positive it was an implosion, so let the search play out until searchers found debris.

James Cameron had the most compelling reason I heard to be nearly certain there was an implosion within hours of the sub going missing: The loss of both comms, which was onboard and nav, which was in a separate pressure vessel simultaneously. He knew of no scenario in which that would happen besides implosion.
 
Holeshot said:
Has there been any explanation on why the US Navy didn't release the info that they heard the Titan implosion right after it happened? Why wait the entire theoretical air supply time period and keep everyone in anticipation?

Is it possible they didn't hear it and are feigning abilities we don't have?
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That was my suspicion. What’s the point in days after the fact saying “Oh btw yeah we heard the implosion that first day, the search was just a training exercise”.
 
Holeshot said:
Has there been any explanation on why the US Navy didn't release the info that they heard the Titan implosion right after it happened? Why wait the entire theoretical air supply time period and keep everyone in anticipation?
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National security. The acoustic devices are very accurate. Think of it as an underwater 'shot caller' like system that most cities now use.

Is it possible they didn't hear it and are feigning abilities we don't have?
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The information was shared very quickly. It was what allowed the search area to be reduced.
 
Enchanter said:
The information was shared very quickly. It was what allowed the search area to be reduced.
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I was gonna say, hasn't it been made pretty clear that the Navy shared the information with the Coast Guard pretty much immediately? I doubt that they necessarily would, but it's not like the Coast Guard is refuting that information either. :dunno
 
For $2500 I’ll take you to the bottom of Lake Tahoe in my submersible to see an old Buick
 

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Kornholio said:
I was gonna say, hasn't it been made pretty clear that the Navy shared the information with the Coast Guard pretty much immediately? I doubt that they necessarily would, but it's not like the Coast Guard is refuting that information either. :dunno
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The question is why the Coast Guard let the charade go on for so long after knowing that the sub had imploded. The Navy was unlikely to give nearly as much information as they knew, for national security purposes, but it sounds like they gave sufficient information to know that there was not going to be survivors and it was apparently given very quickly.

The Coast Guard sat on that information. Even to allowing the story to go out about a knocking sound.

Why give hope when there was absolutely zero chance of there being hope?
 
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