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The Electric Motorcycle Thread

Killroy1999 said:
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Whoops. I wonder if people can confirm this is all true.
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Last I had heard about Lightning is that there was a delay in manufacturing because of something at their Chinese factory.
 
Re: Lightning, I'll just chime in that I requested and received my $500 deposit for a regular Strike back from them. No questions asked, they apologized for the delay, and I received a credit to the same account I used to pay. No checks or cash shenanigans. All of which is to say, that's not scammy behavior. Do they need to get their sh!t together? Absolutely. I hope they do and I wish them well.
 
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Scandalous said:
Re: Lightning, I'll just chime in that I requested and received my $500 deposit for a regular Strike back from them. No questions asked, they apologized for the delay, and I received a credit to the same account I used to pay. No checks or cash shenanigans. All of which is to say, that's not scammy behavior. Do they need to get their sh!t together? Absolutely. I hope they do and I wish them well.
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Good to hear you got your money back. That does restore some faith i had lost in them. There are still a lot of red flags in my mind but that is one less and i'm happy to hear some positive news about the company. even if that news is the result of someone wanting their deposit back and getting it.
 
I went by Lightning today.
I think the referenced "Scam" video is an irresponsible unsubstantiated piece of crap which I could not watch it in its entirety.
You can put anything on the internet, and unless someone thinks it it worth the tens of thousands of dollars to debunk posted crap, they let it go. The simple folks seem to believe what they hear repeated anyhow. If you repeat it enough things are perceived as true.

Anyhow, Lightning is still making bikes, built to order, as quickly as they can get delivery of the parts and systems they need.

Anyone here familiar with international manufacturing understands the challenges of assembly.

I am not sure of anything, of course. These are my best guesses based upon first hand information. I am a genius in that. No U Boob videos were used in this analysis.
 
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The best thing Lightning can do to de-bunk the scam alert is to communicate their progress and deliver some bikes.

I do question their ability to deliver the $12000 Strike - Low volumes, new company = low buying power.
 
Posted by a member of the EV Moto Forum. Credit to MVetter. Thought I'd cross post here. The US configurator is available as well on Energica's website with the new battery sizes.

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Hmm Ego+ 150mph max speed I can totally kill myself with that bike!
 
I need to get the EsseEsse9+ ASAP because my Zero SR has lost half its value in a year and these bikes won't help.
 
Such is the nature of EVs at the moment. I know we can't lease motorcycles but I heard it is better to lease an EV than to buy because technology is moving so rapidly.
 
I just picked up my EsseEsse9 with the 13kwh battery a few months ago but I'm definitely upgrading when the new models are available. Nearly twice my current range is too good to pass up.

I'll go with the Ribelle this time though for the increased power. Especially since I found out the EsseEsse9 footpegs and bars bolt right up, giving me the EsseEsse9 ergos with the Ribelle performance.

Plus it looks like the Ribelle is now coming with the same style side bags as the EsseEsse9 (the Eva 107 had smaller bags).
 
bigpoppa said:
I just picked up my EsseEsse9 with the 13kwh battery a few months ago but I'm definitely upgrading when the new models are available. Nearly twice my current range is too good to pass up.

I'll go with the Ribelle this time though for the increased power. Especially since I found out the EsseEsse9 footpegs and bars bolt right up, giving me the EsseEsse9 ergos with the Ribelle performance.

Plus it looks like the Ribelle is now coming with the same style side bags as the EsseEsse9 (the Eva 107 had smaller bags).
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Are you planning on trading in your 13KWH SS9 for the 21.5 KWH?

Seems strange that we have the 2020 model , 2020 is not even here yet and our bikes are already obsolete! And rather worthless on a trade-in.

But I think we have to expect such on EVs. The best EV deals will be after we're dead!

-Don- Payson, AZ (RV)
 
Yep, I'm willing to take the trade-in hit. Like I said, nearly twice the range is too big a bump for me to pass up. Had the battery bump been any less I doubt I would be doing this.
 
bigpoppa said:
Yep, I'm willing to take the trade-in hit. Like I said, nearly twice the range is too big a bump for me to pass up. Had the battery bump been any less I doubt I would be doing this.
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IIRC, when I looked at the specs, it only had "nearly twice the range" at the lower speeds, and at freeway speeds it was quite a bit less than twice.

But I wish they would give the range vs. speed in a chart, as Tesla does.

-Don- Payson, AZ (RV)
 
My personal range nets me about 60 miles on the freeway from 100% to 0%. Energica claims 112 freeway miles in their real world tests which is close enough for me. My magic number for electrics has been 100 miles at 100mph, then I would be comfortable knowing I had plenty of range.

If the new bikes can do 100 miles at 80mph from 100% to 0% then that’s sufficient for me to replace my gas bike completely.
 
bigpoppa said:
My personal range nets me about 60 miles on the freeway from 100% to 0%. Energica claims 112 freeway miles in their real world tests which is close enough for me. My magic number for electrics has been 100 miles at 100mph, then I would be comfortable knowing I had plenty of range.

If the new bikes can do 100 miles at 80mph from 100% to 0% then that’s sufficient for me to replace my gas bike completely.
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Either bike you trade in will be a major hit. TTSE's are kinda worthless also on the used market, yet they are great bikes--I guess many just do not realize it.

Anyway, here is what I come up with how the new SS9 battery pack should compare to our bikes. Let me know if it seems accurate to you:


Our current Esse Esse9 13.4 KWH/11.7KWH:

up to 193 KM (120 miles, city ego mode)
150KM (93 miles combined)
104 km (65 miles-Urban)

I don't know why they use the word "urban" that can mean anything, but it seems to mean a speed of perhaps 60-65 MPH or so.

62% larger battery pack. So I would expect around a 62% better range at any speed compared to our current SS9's.

I would expect with the larger battery pack:

194 miles city.
151 miles combined.
105 miles freeway (60 to 65 MPH).


But based on below, an increased freeway range of around 73% is claimed with the 21.5 KWH/18.9KWH nom. battery:

City=400KM (248.5 miles)
combinded=230KM (143 miles)
Extra Urban=180KM (112 miles)


I realize a KWH is not always a KWH as the load is changing on a battery, so it is possible for the increase to be not linear with different speeds and loads on the motor.

No way do I believe the new battery will do "100 miles at 80mph". 80 MPH is a big load on an electric motorcycle. I would expect 75 miles at the very most at 80 MPH on the larger battery pack, but that is still a lot better than our current bikes.

-Don- In rainy Payson, AZ. (RV)
 
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Don't forget the new bike is lighter also so less load to push around the bike should get you more range.
 
DonTom said:
Our current Esse Esse9 13.4 KWH/11.7KWH:

up to 193 KM (120 miles, city ego mode)
150KM (93 miles combined)
104 km (65 miles-Urban)

But based on below, an increased freeway range of around 73% is claimed with the 21.5 KWH/18.9KWH nom. battery:

City=400KM (248.5 miles)
combinded=230KM (143 miles)
Extra Urban=180KM (112 miles)
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Something is up with their cycle numbers. The combined cycle is usually a weighted average of the city and highway cycles.

Old model
City: 11.7kWh / 120 mi = 98 Wh/mi
Combined: 11.7kWh / 93 mi = 126 Wh/mi
Highway:11.7kWh / 65 mi = 180 Wh/mi

Makes sense, the combined cycle is somewhat in the middle of the city and highway numbers.

City: 18.9kWh / 248.5 mi = 76 Wh/mi, 22% improvement
Combined: 18.9kWh / 143 mi = 132 Wh/mi, 5% WORSE
Highway: 18.9kWh / 112 mi = 169 Wh/mi, 6% improvement

Why would improving both the city and highway efficiency numbers result in a worse combined cycle number?
 
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