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The Electric Motorcycle Thread

sckego said:
Why would improving both the city and highway efficiency numbers result in a worse combined cycle number?
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I wouldn't expect such either, but it is possible with the newer battery technology as it depends on where the KWH is rated. With many batteries, a KWH does NOT always mean a KWH at all possible loads. Often the rating is for the load where they get the very best KWH rating and away for that rating the real KWH goes down. So then you have less of a load but can also get less KWHs available which could mean less range than expected from doing the math.

The only way we can know for sure what is going on is if they release a battery data sheet that shows all the specs, not just nominal rating at one constant load.

There are also other questions. Such as why the smaller older battery gives more miles per minute of charge compared to the new. One would expect a battery with ~60% more capacity to allow a higher charging rate, but in this case, it's a little less.

Perhaps to make a lighter, more powerful battery has to have some minor trade-offs.


-Don- Payson, AZ (RV)
 
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I'll say this about a gear box it needs to be tough to be able to handle the torque that's put through it. No one could build a strong enough gearbox until Brammo built the Empulse. I have to say you probably can't tell that's an electric bike just by looking at it and I guess the absence of exhaust and well the regen lever.
 
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bigpoppa said:
If the new bikes can do 100 miles at 80mph from 100% to 0% then that’s sufficient for me to replace my gas bike completely.
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Don't be surprised if the bike you have now has longer range at 80 MPH.

Look what happens with their own specs with the new battery.

Our battery range is 124 city, 100 combined, 80 freeway.

The new is 249, 143 and 112 miles.

That is in percentage of range improvement as 100%, 43% & 40% increase with the new battery.

I assume the 80/112 freeway miles is at 65 MPH.

I assume at 80 MPH, both batteries could have the exact same range.

AT 100 MPH, perhaps our old battery has a better range than the new.

That's why I would like to see a chart, like Tesla has. I know my Tesla Model 3 gets 420 miles of range at 38 MPH, 320 at 65 MPH. etc.

With the new battery, I expect the nominal KWH reduces a lot more with load than does our old battery. I have explained before, with batteries, a KWH is NOT always a KWH when the load changes. They could rate them where the KWH give the very best numbers.

The big advantage of the newer battery is at slower speeds, where the range doubles. As the speed increases, it looks like the difference becomes less and less between the new and old battery by Energia's own range specs.

-Don- in rainy Payson, AZ (RV)
 
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Oh! I scheduled a demo ride on a Live Wire! I don't think they're gonna let me because they need to do a credit check and that bike is worth some serious $$$$. I was just on facebook and there was an ad about demo riding a HD. So I just said why the hell not haha. I'd probably have better luck trying to demo a H2.

Oh well we'll see what they say, but if you wanted to demo a Live Wire San Jose HD has one.

https://www.sanjosehd.com/New-Inven...le-Scooter-LiveWire-Electric-8105629?ref=list
 
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HadesOmega said:
Oh! I scheduled a demo ride on a Live Wire! I don't think they're gonna let me because they need to do a credit check and that bike is worth some serious $$$$.
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I never heard of a credit check to do a test tide on anything.

Besides that, IMO, the bike is NOT worth "serious $$$$". They are only asking "serious $$$$" for it.

-Don- Payson, AZ (RV)
 
I went by there the other day and sat on it. They were quite friendly.

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Derp so my credit check actually passed but... they are going to ship the bike to another dealer because someone is prepared to put a downpayment on it. The dude I talked to asked if I could come down and ride it today. I said that I could but I'm probably not going to buy it and if I did want to it would be in the future. So he said something about checking to see if I can go ride it today and he'd call me back later and... he never called back. Haha so I guess they said screw that guy he's not even serious about buying it.

He did say they sold 2 already though! Fancy that people are willing to pay $30k for an electric bike! Also he said they won't be getting another one till January. So guess I'll have to wait till January. I hope they are having some kinda demo ride event sometime. I was going to ride it on Tuesday also it's suppose to rain so I guess it's not meant to be.

This is not the first time I had to get my credit checked or something like that to demo a bike. One time I had to put a credit hold or hostage to demo ride a bike. The reason they wanted to the credit check is to see if I was serious about purchasing it or something. I mean I guess they want to make sure you can pay for it if you break it. It's always more difficult to demo ride with a dealer let alone a new state of the art ultra awesome electric bike. That's why I rather do manufacturer demo rides they don't care so much so long as you don't do something dumb.
 
MikeL said:
I just want to know how much the new Energica's with that huge battery are gonna be.. $30k?

Just adding Ohlins front and rear adds about $4k to their bikes. I'd assume Ohlins + new battery is gonna be like $35k
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I just put down a $3K deposit to book the Energica SS9 Plus at Calmoto Livermore. The only two things I added are the heated grips and the windshield, everything else is standard.

Quoted price is $21,800. Final price will be known in February when the bikes arrive stateside.

ETA is late February for a nation-wide launch.

Energica offers a standard 3 year or 31K mile warranty on the battteries, but I'm wondering if that's enough. Do you guys know of anyone that provides an extended warranty on electric motorcycles?
 
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Nice that's going to be a tough bike to beat for a while. Now the question is how much are the older bikes going to cost now....
 
I'm holding off on the EsseEsse9+ because I don't have time for rides which are longer than my current loop, so no reason to add 170+ lbs. People are saying that it's still a fat pig which understeers and you can't really ride the front end and you have to use the rear to settle going into corners. I'm not sure how much Ohlins helps, seems like it's needed.
 
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dittoalex said:
I'm holding off on the EsseEsse9+ because I don't have time for rides which are longer than my current loop, so no reason to add 170+ lbs. People are saying that it's still a fat pig which understeers and you can't really ride the front end and you have to use the rear to settle going into corners. I'm not sure how much Ohlins helps, seems like it's needed.
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Agreed, the weight means this bike is not going to be a fun canyon carver. It's defintely a second or third bike, assuming you already have something that you can take long distance or to the twisties, or both.

However, for the commuter use case for myself, the Energica's nimbleness in the corners is not very important to me. Home -> Freeway -> Office -> Freeway -> Home on very boring roads, all year round :)

It's the crazy wear and tear on the mechanical bits that commuting does to a motorcycle, which when cobbled with maintenance and fuel costs, makes the case for an electric bike even stronger.
 
"Yeah, any of the Zeros that don't have the charge tank"

All Zeros can use J1772 in one way or another. I charge both of my Zeros from J-1772 and up to 8.4KW. Neither of them have a charge tank.

Just get the adapter, as shown here under:

"J1772 To Zero Adapter".

-Don- Payson, AZ (RV)
 
I rode an Energica Eva up Woodside Road to Alices and a bit more the first time I ever rode one and sure seems to carve to me. They smoke me at Laguna Seca. When the bike starts moving the weight disappears. I'm not a fast rider though.

Now I don't own one but I would say the Energica is probably the electric bike that you would be able to do the MOST with particularly sport touring, the DC fastcharge opens a lot more possibilities.
 
Kymco RevoNex officially to be produced for 2021. Not sure if coming US though.

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/384833/kymco-revonex-electric-motorcycle-production-announced/


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morroquen said:
Agreed, the weight means this bike is not going to be a fun canyon carver.
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That's what I thought too, until I rode one. It's actually one of the best handling bikes I have ridden. Feels really planted in the corners and doesn't hesitate diving into them.
 
Here's an interesting motorcycle. I heard about Damon motorcycle earlier this year. They are building a technologically advanced electric motorcycle. The electronics on it and ergonomics is what's advanced. Supposedly it has a kind of spatial awareness system and it has variable ergonomics that can be changed on the fly. They call it Co-Pilot and Shift

Here's another thing interesting
Possibly the most interesting bit of news for electric motorcycle fans is that Damon has hired electric motorcycle veteran and Alta Motors founder Derek Dorresteyn as its COO.
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https://www.rideapart.com/articles/385886/damon-motorcycles-hypersport-ces-2020/
 
I like they're trying new things with Co-Pilot and Shift, but is an extra 40 ms going to help?
 
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