Why do people hate on budbandit so much?

[cheezy]

This should of been a who hates/likes BB poll. Just for shits and giggles.

 

[Baptistro]

The word is "hypocrisy"

Regardless of that, I would have no problem with what you said on this board if you practiced what you preached.

Doing wheelies in the middle of a group ride alongside the C group on the wrong side of the double yellow doesn't really go along with what you preach does it? Regardless of the fact that it was on a fairly long straight, or was that the reason it was done repeatedly?

I would think that just the odd chance of going down and taking out a c-group rider, or a bunch of them, would be a reasonable deterrent, but that's just me.

I deliberately rode until Davenport with your "C" group to see how you guys ran things. I was sadly disappointed at you, and the group leader in particular. It not being my ride, I finished the ride by joining back up with Budman and with the rest of the "A" group.

Your awarding yourself the title of "Fucktard of the Year" means nothing, as you can look down on yourself (which I sincerely doubt you truly believe) but cannot stand to have someone say anything remotely negative about you without going on another soapbox tirade, and making a personal and/or offensive/patronizing/diminutive rebuttal of the individual.

Even some small things, such as putting your reply to a quoted post above the quote itself, as I have done here, are a testament to your ego.

I have no doubt that you enjoy the attention. if I recall correctly, not long ago you had written this board off, as some others have done, but yet, we see you here day in and day out. Why is that? I hazzard to guess that you enjoy the attention.

Also, you are correct, threads such as ABN's today in regard to his track day experience are to be applauded, it is a shame we'll never see a similar thread from you since you have expressed no desire to do a motorcycle track event.

Have a great, and safe weekend.

Now, while we have a couple of my biggest fans here, including Bap sans mod hat, it seems that many people get confused and throw around hypocracy accusations around which has always puzzled me, but perhaps I am more sensitive to time and place than many.

For example:

asshat wheelie: performed in front of Alice's with 3 CHPs in the parking lot

non-asshat wheelie: performed where nobody gets hurt should things go bad

fucktard of the year wheelie: lose your girlfriend off the back

Most of the difference between being fully acceptable (in my book at least) and being uncool is the extent to which others could participate in your wreck should things go wrong.

A simpler person, a person with a less complex moral outlook, wants something more like "wheelies are always good" or "wheelies are always bad" - the whole thinking and time and place thing....well, that gets confusing.

As for taunting people I am trying to help - no, lot likely. I might taunt people I am not trying to help though. Of course, having awarded myself Fucktard of the Year I hardly exclude myself from any of the fun. Maybe I am not understanding this hypocrit shit or maybe people have fairly selective memories. Then again, any time someone will try to stand up and rise out of the swamp there will be others who will immediately chuck a turd.

In a way I am flattered that folks view me as something worth discussing and debating although it is distressing to find nasty little worms under the rock, such as when people you don't know announce that they dislike you. I suspect some of it comes from resentment and distaste for some of the changes in the nature of the board over the years, there used to be much more of a "20 somethings who just got sportbikes" feel to it which has, for good or bad, changed. I know there was a group of the old school core barfers who I managed to alienate and enrage by cracks about starbucks which were not even aimed at them or intended to offend anyone, but such is water under the bridge.

Sad that so much energy and attention is paid to the nature of certain board members instead of some of the cool aspects of riding. I hope those of you who have not yet done so go take a look at ABN's post on a trackday experience. That is the type of thing I would not mind seeing more of myself.

 

[07chuck]

:infrandom

 

[donoman]

While I don't respect Budbandit, this thread should be closed.

"The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how much you play, you'll never be as good as a wall. I played a wall once, they're fucking relentless. " - Mitch Hedberg

 

[plumber]

The word is "hypocrisy"

Regardless of that, I would have no problem with what you said on this board if you practiced what you preached.

Doing wheelies in the middle of a group ride alongside the C group on the wrong side of the double yellow doesn't really go along with what you preach does it? Regardless of the fact that it was on a fairly long straight, or was that the reason it was done repeatedly?

I would think that just the odd chance of going down and taking out a c-group rider, or a bunch of them, would be a reasonable deterrent, but that's just me.

I deliberately rode until Davenport with your "C" group to see how you guys ran things. I was sadly disappointed at you, and the group leader in particular. It not being my ride, I finished the ride by joining back up with Budman and with the rest of the "A" group.

Your awarding yourself the title of "Fucktard of the Year" means nothing, as you can look down on yourself (which I sincerely doubt you truly believe) but cannot stand to have someone say anything remotely negative about you without going on another soapbox tirade, and making a personal and/or offensive/patronizing/diminutive rebuttal of the individual.

Even some small things, such as putting your reply to a quoted post above the quote itself, as I have done here, are a testament to your ego.

I have no doubt that you enjoy the attention. if I recall correctly, not long ago you had written this board off, as some others have done, but yet, we see you here day in and day out. Why is that? I hazzard to guess that you enjoy the attention.

Also, you are correct, threads such as ABN's today in regard to his track day experience are to be applauded, it is a shame we'll never see a similar thread from you since you have expressed no desire to do a motorcycle track event.

Have a great, and safe weekend.

It would have been a well played post earlier in the day.

 

[budbandit]

Oh, dear, people doing wheelies? In front of C group riders? How horrible! Best stay away from such hooligans. As for where a reply goes in regards to the quote - dude, you are looking really hard for things to get upset about. I have heard you have done some good works with regards to a person in need recently, for that huge props. This other stuff seems rather petty. Perhaps things will seem better should we cross paths again in meatspace.

 

[Cheetah]

I can see how some people might look at it like this:

Ohhh I wish that I have mojo for this right now!!!

 

[Baptistro]

Oh, dear, people doing wheelies? In front of C group riders? How horrible! Best stay away from such hooligans. As for where a reply goes in regards to the quote - dude, you are looking really hard for things to get upset about. I have heard you have done some good works with regards to a person in need recently, for that huge props. This other stuff seems rather petty. Perhaps things will seem better should we cross paths again in meatspace.

I'm not upset You can do what you like here as long as you abide by the TOS, doesn't mean that anyone has to like it. I'm also just pointing out that in an online forum, everything about how you present your viewpoint says something about you. As a mod/admin I have to think about that every day as well as in my professional life writing legal briefs as a Plaintiffs' advocate.

As far as doing wheelies in front of "C" group riders. I beg to differ. If they choose to continue to show up to those rides, good for them. I hope they have enough brains to follow the right examples out of what is presented to them. However, any time I am involved in the organization of a newbie friendly ride, you can believe that I will have words with the guy performing said antics at the very next stop and if the wrong attitude is expressed, I wil ask them to leave.

The duplicity of certain people on the board and off the board, including yourself, irks me as well. Many who have said that they are the same online and in person, and that they would be happy to say to face to face what they say online, have been completely different in "meatspace." I found that to be disappointing more than anything else.

Also, I would not expect what you may perceive as a good deed on my part to preclude you from speaking frankly as to what you think of me or what I say, as one has nothing to do with the other.

Ride safe all, and hope to see you on the road, at the races, or at a meet soon.

 

[budbandit]

There are some who would take great offence with the term duplicity, including myself. Should we meet, I would be very pleased to have a frank and open discussion of such opinions.

By the way, the word is "disappointing".

The duplicity of certain people on the board and off the board, including yourself, irks me as well. Many who have said that they are the same online and in person, and that they would be happy to say to face to face what they say online, have been completely different in "meatspace." I found that to be dissappointing more than anything else.

 

[Lester Green]

i must have hit the refresh button 50 times in the last 12 min...

 

[Baptistro]

I'd be more than happy to discuss that with you. You'll find I'm pretty much the same online as off as far as my discourse.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Baptistro]

i must have hit the refresh button 50 times in the last 12 min...

 

[Chief]

Personally, I find BB to be one of the most entertaining personalities on the board. His posts are rarely boring. Hell, there have been a few nights that I have only logged on to check what Bud has had to say. Now, this has been clearly for entertainment value. The truth is, I think BB has many valid points and arguments(Though some are quite a stretch). I just don't think many people will heed the advice because the delivery carries the tone of superiority. It cause people(me) to kind of revert to childhood...16 again, listening to one of Dad's many all knowing tirades. "blah blah blah." Then, there's also my own ego to contend with. BB and I are roughly the same age, with same number of years riding experience. By his own admission, he has been far more squidly and irresponsible than I ever was. So, why the heck would I want to take his advice to heart? In the real world("meatspace"?), it sounds like BB does a hell of a lot more for new riders than I do. So, mucho respect for that, big guy.

My only annoyance, if it is that, is when he refers to people as flatlanders. That is a term used by redneck hillbillies when referring to people that don't come from up in the mountains. Now, BB...I've heard you openly admit that you came from Kansas. You, my friend, are a flatlander. For life!!

edit: I was going to fix a few spelling mistakes, but I decided it's more entertaining to let you guys flaunt your 12" brains.

 

[daventura]

It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.

 

[thendougsaid]

blah blah blahhhh

 

[Mortifer]

wow, this went a totally unexpected direction, interesting reading (not much flaming).

BB, please keep up the great "thinking" threads, I enjoy reading them and always get some good info that makes me think about my riding skills/techniques.

Those that dont want to hear it from you, need to stop reading and then complaining, it gets old.


I look forward to joining you on a sat ride sometime soon,
are you still doing them?
do you post them or just show up?

 

[budman]

I for one am glad BB is here and giving the folks some food for thought. I have been on an organized ride with Jason and he had a genuine caring for the participants..

The shock jock comment rings a little true to me.. and that is not a bad thing.. if it gets peoples attention and makes them think that is not all bad.. and in this case it is more than just entertainment there is a line of common sense that lies beneath.

I dont' jump into every post looking for the popcorn and crazy interactions.. but when I do.. more makes sense than does not.

I think in a way Jason is like me with some squidly past incidents and he chooses to expose those things in others as a tool to make folks think. Making people think about what they are doing in a sport like this is a good thing.

And for others the entertainment of folks going head to head on the stuff is what makes the BB stuff good.

 

[Casey]

Jason is cool as hell. If you don't like his opinions, then don't read what he has to say.

This thread gets 0/10. You lose.

 

[i4strtsweepr]

I for one am glad BB is here and giving the folks some food for thought. I have been on an organized ride with Jason and he had a genuine caring for the participants..

The shock jock comment rings a little true to me.. and that is not a bad thing.. if it gets peoples attention and makes them think that is not all bad.. and in this case it is more than just entertainment there is a line of common sense that lies beneath.

I dont' jump into every post looking for the popcorn and crazy interactions.. but when I do.. more makes sense than does not.

I think in a way Jason is like me with some squidly past incidents and he chooses to expose those things in others as a tool to make folks think. Making people think about what they are doing in a sport like this is a good thing.

And for others the entertainment of folks going head to head on the stuff is what makes the BB stuff good.

+1

 

[budbandit]

Hi Mort, just got back from another successful, crash and drama free ride. We had warnings that there might be elevated CHP harsh crackdown noise on the hill so it was a fairly goaty run, lots of fun even though we had a somewhat largish group (20 bikes). Usually I am reluctant to run such a large group because it can make passing and stopping and stuff like that a hassle and also a bit of a nuissance for others on the road, but other than allergies that have me wanting to scratch my eyes out now all was good and neither the Sausage Creature nor the Bears were fed.

The Saturday ride still continues, leaving for the most part from the Skywood Trading Post at 10am Saturday mornings - if you are looking to join, please check SBR to insure that there is a ride happening that day. This winter was a harsh one and not being a big fan of rain I took a number of rain days off but often GaryJ or someone else continued the tradition even when I was too lame and weak to do so.

I used to post it more widely but the number of crashes was fairly high and I figured out that widely posting rides on the open internet, especially with terms like "newbie friendly" was probably best left for braver people than me. I used to get very stressed and upset when people got hurt. I was really happy to see you and Chrono (and the others who make those rides happen) doing the Newbie Rides as that insured that there was a good, safe and sane environment for those new to riding or group riding to get together in a low ego/low pressure, welcoming and inclusive environment - one that I respect and hope to be able to join in soon.

Cheers,
Jason

wow, this went a totally unexpected direction, interesting reading (not much flaming).

BB, please keep up the great "thinking" threads, I enjoy reading them and always get some good info that makes me think about my riding skills/techniques.

Those that dont want to hear it from you, need to stop reading and then complaining, it gets old.


I look forward to joining you on a sat ride sometime soon,
are you still doing them?
do you post them or just show up?