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ScorpioVI said:
Tangential story;

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So later that year, we go over to her families for Christmas dinner. They had a big toy box for all the grandkids, and Jamie found a toy gun. She immediatly points it at her mom, and yells "BANG". Mom looks at her and says, "now Jamie, what's the rule?" With downcast eyes, Jamie says " 2 to the chest, one to the head. Keep shooting until they're down." Mom starts saying "no, no, the other rule!" but the damage was done. Holy crap. I thought Grandma was going to have a stroke. I almost pissed myself trying not to laugh.
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:laughing :laughing That's my favorite part :laughing
 
ScorpioVI said:
:laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing :laughing


Sometimes, there's just no such thing as "too much mall ninja".

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:wtf Surley he can't be serious? And stop calling my Shirley.

There was a gun a guy on arfcom posted where he attached everything he had to a guns rail system. Was pretty fookin hilarious.
 
Shotline said:
So after reading that Lights Out story, I feel the need for a good rifle.

What is better, an AR-15 or an FAL?
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Um, both?

Seriously, get both. Not really a case of better, different rounds for different jobs.
 
I'd rather have an M1a over the FAL. With the FAL, there's just something odd about the stock & grip that doesn't fit me right.

DSA makes some sweet FAL's, though: http://www.dsarms.com/

They make some really nice ARs and bolt-actions, too.

Guns are great!
 
Shotline said:
So after reading that Lights Out story, I feel the need for a good rifle.

What is better, an AR-15 or an FAL?
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Two different categories really. The AR15 platform is the most popular for the assault rifle category, and the FAL is second only to the M1A in the battle rifle category. Like the other two said, get both.

The FAL, while expensive initially, is cheaper in the long run because of the lack of after-market gidgets. Get 10 mags, good to go. The AR-15 is like a freaking Lego set, too easy to get addicted in trying out different accesories and combinations.

BTW, you can get a CA-legal FAL now, while in Cali. It has a modified dust-cover (loads from stripper clips), and a fixed magazine (release lever). When you get back out to Free America, it's about a $50 (and some know how) mod to convert it back to a standard mag-fed FAL.
 
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That's pretty clever - put a set screw in the release lever, so it can still eventually act like a regular release, but with a tool required to adjust it.
 
What's the difference between assault rifle and battle rifle? Seems like a very thin line.

AR-15: assault
AK-47 + variants: assault
M1A/M14:battle
SKS: battle (ok, ok, a very small battle fought by blindfolded alcoholics)
FAL: battle
HK G36: assault

:wtf

Is there like a math equation for it?
Barrel length+magazine capacity+mode of fire=type of rifle, or something along those lines?
 
Battle rifles and assault rifles.

In the 1950's and 1960's, most of the primary rifles issued to armies around the world were chambered in 7.52x51mm/.308, mainly the FAL, G3, and M14. Patterned after the Browning Automatic Rifle (the .30-06 BAR) and the STG44, battle rifles were designed to function as both an individual soldier's rifle and a squad-support weapon (full-auto). The full-auto point is generally moot for civilians anyway. But that's how the term battle rifle was coined.

Now in the mid-60s and later, "lighter" calibers came about to allow troops to carry more ammunition, without increasing the amount of weight they already have to carry. The M16, AK47, AK74, AUG, FAMAS, L85A1 are all products of this effort. Wanting to distinguish between these "poodle-shooters" and the battle rifle, the term "assault rifle" was coined. To simplify it, what differentiates a battle rifle from assault rifle is the caliber: 7.62x51mm upwards = battle rifle, 7.62x39 downwards = assault rifle.

Of course, nowadays the term assault-rifle has taken on a completely different meaning. In California, particularly, the whole situation is very ironic since from a purely ballistic standpoint, battle rifles are more deadly than assault rifles. Yet, you can still get battle rifles in CA (M1A, FAL) while the poodle-shooters got banned. Makes sense huh?
 
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Webberstyle said:
Thanks Alan! :teeth How could I overlook the caliber difference.. *stupid*
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I was actually laughing when I saw your list. With the exception of the SKS (you're giving it far too much credit there :laughing) you pretty much got the categories straight.
 
ScorpioVI said:
I was actually laughing when I saw your list. With the exception of the SKS (you're giving it far too much credit there :laughing) you pretty much got the categories straight.
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What's the beef with the sks now? At least I didn't list bolt-action pre-ww2 rifles :teeth

Yeah, Schmidt-Rubin K31 mauser chambered in 7.5mm Swiss = battle rifle :laughing

My sks functions perfectly with the recoil spring mounted backwards. I found out from experience :blush
 
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_5932.shtml

Gun Violence: Justice Department Study Shows 79 Percent of Criminals Obtained Firearms From Illegal Sources
By Jim Kouri, CPP
MichNews.com
Dec 1, 2004




Ninety-five percent of US police commanders and sheriffs believe most criminals obtain their firearms from illegal sources, according to a survey released by the National Association of Chiefs of Police. Coincidentally, data released by the US Department of Justice appears to confirm this claim by our nation's police executives. The DOJ study refutes the conventional wisdom that guns used in criminal acts are purchased at retail stores or gun shows.

About 18 percent of state prisoners and 15 percent of federal prisoners reported that they were armed when they committed the offense for which they were imprisoned, according to the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics.

In the interviews, an estimated 9 percent of state prisoners and 2 percent of federal prisoners reported that they fired their weapon during the commission of the crime.

The data were obtained from personal interviews with a nationally representative sample of more than 18,000 state and federal prisoners, the largest survey of prison inmates sponsored by the federal government.

Among those who carried a firearm during the offense for which they were sent to prison, about 8 percent of the state and federal prisoners carried a military-style, semiautomatic weapon. These firearms included the UZI, Tec-9, and MAC-10 handguns, the AR-15, and AK-47 rifles and the "StreetSweeper" shotguns. Possession of these models which meet certain criteria as contained in the Federal statute can be unlawful. The firearm most favored by the inmates was a handgun, which was carried by more than 80 percent of the armed inmates.

Among inmates convicted of non-violent crimes, about 8 percent of state prisoners and almost 12 percent of federal prisoners were carrying a firearm at the time of the property, drug or public order offense that resulted in their imprisonment. Of those inmates who were incarcerated for a violent crime – murder, rape, sexual attack, robbery and assault – 30 percent of state prisoners and 35 percent of federal prisoners reported they used or possessed a gun when they committed the offense.

Male offenders, younger offenders, offenders from racial and ethnic minority groups and offenders without prior convictions were the most likely to have been carrying a firearm at the time of the offense. About 15 percent of state offenders who had been on probation or parole prior to their admission to prison reported that they had been armed at the time of the offense that led to their incarceration.

Twenty-seven percent of the state prisoners who victimized a current or former spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend were armed while committing the crime, and about 8 percent used a firearm against other relatives, such as children, siblings and other family members.

About 40 percent of state inmates and 56 percent of federal inmates who carried a gun during the offense for which they were incarcerated were given sentence enhancements because of their firearm use. Those carrying firearms also received longer sentences than those without guns. Sentences for state inmates who had firearms averaged 18 years of incarceration, compared to 12 years for those without firearms.

Inmates serving time in state prisons said they obtained their guns from the following sources in percentages:

Purchased from a retail store 8.3%
Purchased at a pawn shop 3.8%
Purchased at a flea market 1.0%
Purchased at a gun show 0.7%
Obtained from friends or family 39.6%
Obtained on the street/illegal source 39.2%

The percentage of inmates who bought their guns from a retail store fell from 21 percent in 1991, when the last such survey was conducted to 14 percent. At the same time the percentage who obtained their firearms from family or friends rose from 34 percent in 1991 to 40 percent.




Sources: US Department of Justice
National Security Institute
National Association of Chiefs of Police

About the writer: Jim Kouri is a certified protection professional and 5th Vice President of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. He's a frequent contributor to Chief of Police and Police Times magazines. He represented NACOP during the US Government Accounting Office's study on the impact on local law enforcement of the FBI reorganization plan. Jim is the author of Assume the Position which is available at Amazon.com, Booksamillion.com and Barnes & Noble (BN.com). He appears regularly on TV and radio news and talk shows including The O'Reilly Factor, Oprah, The McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, At Large with Geraldo Rivera and others.

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