Close one on Pinehurst - another effing M4M thread/rant

[Psyclotron]

I just become frustrated when barf goes into full attack mode when the outcome is completely out of anyone's control. Having barf flame this guy one post after another is fruitless.t.

most of the negative posts were responses to excuses or baits from him or one of his aliases/friends, from my view.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

I see no true appology, just weaksauce excuses.

damn kids today, GET OFF MY LAWN! [/afm199]

 

[Bluenote]

congratulations.. you guys turned something that i loved into something that i now fear. i started off driving redwood one day in my little toyota truck just to see where it ended and i fell in love with the road. went and bought a car and kept driving redwood. i made some mistakes here and there and learned from them and now i stay in my own lane. ill admit im going a little fast most of the time.. but at least im staying in my lane. and now.. im f*ing scared to even drive up there because imma have a bunch of older cats on bikes starting sh*t with me. and dont tell me you guys wont start sh*t because youve been proving yourselves to all be assh0les in this thread.

YOU GUYS FLY THROUGH DEAD STOP TRAFFIC AT HIGH SPEEDS! do you realize how dangerous that is? i almost hit a biker in traffic because he was flying by me so fast that i couldnt even tell he was that close to me. ive been through redwood/pinehurst numerous times in which there was a bike behind me ON MY ASS! and you know what? to me it was all fun and games. i mean sure ill try my luck and try to outrun a bike. sometimes it happens but i mean cmon.. if you guys do that type of sh*t to a driver who isnt too experienced youre gonna drive him off a cliff. no one wants some bike on their ass hell of loud pressuring them.

one of my best friends rides a bike. he also touges a car. and you know what? he respects both. and he has told me how some of you guys ride throughout the bay area and youre no better than divine. i was pulled over on pinehurst the other week and a see a biker from far away. i throw up my peace sign and what does he do? HE FLIES BY ME A FULL THROTTLE INCHES FROM ME. i seriously almost felt his clothes as he flew by.

so congrats.. you will never see me in my car on redwood again.

thanks for ruining the only thing in this world that i have a passion for

The above just absolutely takes the cake. We're making an open complaint about a *specific individual* and you come wailing into this forum throwing out mass generalisations and accusations in an attempt to defend the indefensible and finish it off with a sniveling WHINE claiming fear and that *we* removed your " reason fo living".

Here's a towel , no go dry that river of moisture from behind your ears and attempt to grow up and get some perspective.

We're where we are now at within the context of this issue for one simple reason , that being that your "boy" i.e. DIVINEZ couldn't simply man it up and have the brass balls to say " I screwed up and it won't happen again and what can I do to make it right."

YOU and your cronies are CREATING an adversarial relationship out of thin air where none originally existed. You are doing so quite simply because you're a pack of spoiled brats who can't take being told that one of their own made a mistake with possible horrendous consequences.

That's really the bottom line here , with the corollary aspect that y'all seem to be too bloody dense to understand that the more you yap the deeper the shitpile you've manufactured for yourself gets.



B.

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

Like I said earlier in the thread... it gets to a point where you have to stop being angry. I would truly be pleased as punch to have Saki and his friends join me up at The Junction on Mines (Livermore, for them that don't know) on Sunday, as Kurt is going to be there, as well. It would be a wonderful opportunity for the 2-wheeled world and the 4-wheeled world to sit down, and get to know each other a bit... opening up a dialogue would be a good thing, I think.
I truly hope the drivers take me up on the offer. We'll see what happens.

 

[flying_hun]

FWIW, if he shows, he shows, but I still want to talk to his parents. It's just the same as if some kid had thrown a rock through my window; his parents need to know what he's up to.

 

[Bluenote]

and I give a fuck if they do something? they would just look like fucken idiots becuase A) im not divine Z B) no fucken shit i will hang out with divine there my friends

ROTFLMAO..............famous last words and associated magnificient swinging of a very small pudenda. The reality of that hypothetical situation of course being that you might not " give a shit" but that you'd certainly be "giving a shit" in that scenario , granted it would all be in your pants.


And are you too bloody dense to realise that nobody whomsoever within this thread gives the proverbial rodents posterior if you hang out with your friends? What folks are simply asking for is for y'all to drive as if there are other users of the road present and extend the courtesies to those other users of the road , the same as you wish said courtesies extended to you.

It's self-defeating for you to play your "internet tough guy" card , your boy was fortunate to run into a levelheaded , adult motorcyclist with his wits about him and control of his temper , had the same scenario transpired with many other motorcyclist , or drivers for that matter , we might well be reading about it in the press as a roadrage incident and your boy might well have been much worse for the wear.

As I previously stated *YOU* and your " crew" are creating an adversarial situation here , nobody else. NOBODY else.


And yah , yah , yah I know you're a tough guy , now you're going to come piss in my fish tank , squeeze my canary to death and impregnate my dog.

Whatever.



B.

 

[Blind_Io]

And yah , yah , yah I know you're a tough guy , now you're going to come piss in my fish tank , squeeze my canary to death and impregnate my dog.

Consider that officially stolen! *Yoink!*

 

[Bluenote]

ummm a pointless ass threat and im suppose to not wanna hang out with my friends ...

Guess we've got another PHAD ( piled higher and deeper) , how do you get a "threat" out of what he posted to you? Are you really so insecure and paranoid so as to view a comment oriented towards your dickswinging bullshit as a threat?


And who said a damn thing about you "hanging out with your friends". Quit attempting to manufacture strawmen , stop with the ad hominem and take a deep breath and give some cogitation to this whole issue.

Your boy made a mistake , simple as that , it should be treated as a learning opportunity but it's not , simple as that.

And you're making an overt attempt to defend the indefensible and turn this into an " us versus them" sort of issue. You fail to realise that all you're accomplishing is to make the whole situation worse.




B.

 

[Blind_Io]

Guess we've got another PHAD ( piled higher and deeper) , how do you get a "threat" out of what he posted to you? Are you really so insecure and paranoid so as to view a comment oriented towards your dickswinging bullshit as a threat?


And who said a damn thing about you "hanging out with your friends". Quit attempting to manufacture strawmen , stop with the ad hominem and take a deep breath and give some cogitation to this whole issue.

Your boy made a mistake , simple as that , it should be treated as a learning opportunity but it's not , simple as that.

And you're making an overt attempt to defend the indefensible and turn this into an " us versus them" sort of issue. You fail to realise that all you're accomplishing is to make the whole situation worse.




B.

I would once again like to point out that this was not a mistake. It was a deliberate act that put Kurt in mortal danger. It is a consistent pattern of behavior, it is fucking stupid, it is the sign of significant immaturity; it is many things, but it is not a mistake.

 

[ob1ventura]

ROTFLMAO..............famous last words and associated magnificient swinging of a very small pudenda. The reality of that hypothetical situation of course being that you might not " give a shit" but that you'd certainly be "giving a shit" in that scenario , granted it would all be in your pants.


And yah , yah , yah I know you're a tough guy , now you're going to come piss in my fish tank , squeeze my canary to death and impregnate my dog.

Whatever.



B.

. My secretary is looking in my window wondering if I lost it.

Let me know if you have a copyright on that one yet...........

 

[Bluenote]

I would once again like to point out that this was not a mistake. It was a deliberate act that put Kurt in mortal danger. It is a consistent pattern of behavior, it is fucking stupid, it is the sign of significant immaturity; it is many things, but it is not a mistake.

Yup , I'd agree , but I was attempting to throttle down my own contentious nature and not add fuel to the fire.

All this makes me glad to be up here in the north end of the state nowadays where on a given weekday I've pretty much got 36 and all the great goat trails to myself and there's much less crap of this sort to deal with.

The one concern now is that these guys might actually show up to the 1Rider thing and bitch Connie ( GixxerGirl) out , hope y'all will be there to give her some backing in case of that eventuality , not saying it *will* happen , but given the level of maturity and responsibility for their own actions they've exhibited so far it *might*.

But then I'm a notorious cynic.



B.

 

[Diezel]

You know it's funny.

The "cage" folks are quick to point out that "moto riders" break the law all the time. Simply put, a vast majority of us do not. Especially with as tight as LEO interaction has become with us, thanks to the few that DO place all of use moto riders and cage drivers under the spot light.

However, the major thing the cager's seem to miss, when it comes to a motorcyclist blowing a double yellow is.... Who dies? 99.9% of the time, the person in the cage can walk away from the crash. 99.9% of the time a moto rider is in critical condition, or worse off Dead @ impact.

So, while you may think it's a stone for a stone, eye for an eye world.

Something to think about... When a moto blows a double yellow, and impact a vehicle and dies. Leaving everyone alive in a cage. Nothing is done, but a somber group of folks mourning a loss of a rider.

When a cage blows a double yellow, and impacts a motorcyclist, the same as above happens, and the driver of the cage can be charged with negligence and manslaughter.

Choice is up to you guys, too see if you spend your next years "free" or in a different kind of cage.

 

[Yakoo752]

And yah , yah , yah I know you're a tough guy , now you're going to come piss in my fish tank , squeeze my canary to death and impregnate my dog.

Finally after months of searching my very first sig line qoute!! Thank you

 

[Bad Dad]

This has surpassed the guinea pig junkpile forum wars, and is now closing in on the creatures of the loin forum war.

\m/

 

[Cycle61]

This has surpassed the guinea pig junkpile forum wars, and is now closing in on the creatures of the loin forum war.

\m/

I think I'm gonna go back to post #2 and edit it to say something epic and insightful.

 

[sfdj_tim]

What is the purpose of this thread?

Is it to bring more awareness to "performance" car drivers about safety? I think it does this.

Is it to get Masaki and his crew to rethink their driving styles? I think it does...

Do the insults and name calling assist with these points? I think not--so let's cease and desist from continuing to bash Masaki and his friend's who have done about all they can do to try and make the point that they have heard us (minus the finger pointing ).

Take this for what its worth to you:
Do not drive like you own the road--others are just around the bend.

We are all a community of people who sometimes make mistakes, the best you can do is teach and learn from the situation.

Let someone have the room to apologize and learn--especially someone who is young and inexperienced--and be happy that this has been turned into a positive experience.

IMHO I think that Flying Hun (Kurt) and DIVX (Masaki) should take this to the PMs and personally meet. I would be happy to come along to see that this is a peaceful meeting, or perhaps an mediator can be agreed upon.

+1

This is probably one of the best posts in this thread...level-headed, objective, and mature.

I can't believe there wasn't one warning (unless I missed it) about the blatant and excessive name calling. What's up with that? Had Devine/DC been another motorcyclist, these actions would've resulted in multiple suspensions. Is there a double standard? Two different sets of TOS? Defined by whether you're a motorcyclist or car enthusiast? Hmmmm....


Everyone has been bashing on his driving skills. You are all wrong. (mostly) He had/has enough skill to keep his car on the road and in his lane. We should be bashing him on his judgement. There's a huge difference. Driving/riding on the street is mostly about judgement. (not saying that we don't need skill for the streets, but I think you understand my point) Judgement is something that should be practiced every time we get behind the wheel or swing a leg over a bike. Skill is something that should be practiced and tested at a track. Then, this skill used in conjunction with good judgement, will make us better drivers/ riders. It's a continuous learning process, we never graduate.


I agree with what Coffae said about "letting someone have the room to apologize and learn". We have all made mistakes before in life, some of us having paid more than others. It's what you do afterward. Some learn, some don't. The kid knows he screwed up. It's now time to give him a chance to learn.


Some of you may not agree with these kind words but I just want to add a little positivity to this experience. By the grace of God, a higher power, karma, luck, etc., Kurt is still with us and in one piece.


Devine, you got off easy this time. All the bashing is nothing compared to the other possible outcomes. You're young. You've got some guts, too. Now take something from this experience, learn, and KEEP YOUR SHIT ON YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD!

 

[InsaneStang]

Probably happens lots of times. But I wonder how often they do it going the wrong way in a car running about 5-7x the weight of most of the other vehicles on the road?

Personally, I don't wish any physical harm on ANYone - but I can understand the position others might take in that someone who puts others' lives at risk with such a cavalier attitude deserves no less than what he's offering everyone else. I can especially empathize with those who HAVE been injured or lost loved ones because of drivers like DivineZ and his friends.


Please tell me how any other posters in this thread have in any way made DZ "look great." He and his friends (and defenders) have only succeeded in making themselves look like the careless, selfish and unrepentant brats they were originally assumed to be.

Thanks for the grammar check, wanna do it again for this post please?

The person i was quoting said nothing about going wrong directions, or anything even close, thats the reason i was laughing. I understand hauling ass around blind corners is bad but everyone is taking this to a pretty retarded level, I cruise down redwood during the day and i see cars doing the speed limit using both lanes (i'm not saying it makes it any better)

Well as far as that goes I also understand this. But honestly I've almost gotten into atleast a few accidents because of bikes, I would've been a lot more upset if it was a SUV/Truck that did it but still man, thats part of driving. I'm sorry for those who lost friends, and almost lost their lives riding, but it's obviously worth it too them if they are willing to continue taking the risks.

I felt by the end of reading the entire thread DivZ looked pretty damn good. He was willing to do everything within reason to give you guys piece of mind. People continued to shoot him down even after speaking to one rider in person. I believe the OP turned the information into the police. Why would he hold up too his word when the OP obviously doesn't feel an apology or anything that he can offer is good enough. It's kind of the theme to this thread. I wouldn't have stuck around either. Majority of the people here fail too see points people make and arrogantly shoot down their thoughts.

Oh one last thing, I'm the first person to know about safety, i ALMOST made a mistake that would stick with me for the rest of my life. I learned from it. So if anything i should be the one on your side, but truth be told, I'm not. Just because the way you guys 'teach' lessons

 

[Blind_Io]

sfdj_tim:

He came in and gave a half-assed "apology." He didn't take responsibility, or present any kind of alternative. His first reaction was to say that he would continue to drive as he pleased, so don't be on the road at night. He lied about the incident, hoping no one would notice - that's not accountability, it's trying to weasel out of responsibility.

He had his chance to make amends in here, and he only managed to dig himself in deeper. That is no one's fault but his and now he has to try to deal with those consequences as well.

I have never bashed his ability to drive, I have always focused on his choices and judgment, which is why I would very much like to see people stop calling this act a mistake. It wasn't a mistake, it was a choice and I have said as much from the beginning. DivineZ tried to minimize his own accountability by coloring his choice a mistake, and I am disinclined to go along with that.

EDIT:

InsaneStang:

Yes, we take risks by riding. We also do everything we can to minimize risks: we wear full gear, high-visibility clothing and paint, we ride defensively, and we try to anticipate problems. What we don't do is intentionally ride into oncoming traffic. I didn't start riding to do that, and I don't think anyone else did either. By that logic I could drive a bulldozer down the wrong side of the road until someone comes around a corner and slams into it, killing themselves. "Oh, well, they bought a car and were on the road, it's a risk you take." No, it's sodding not! I'm tired of this kind of "logic," it's blaming the victim, nothing more. In most motorcycle vs. car accidents (3/4) it's the car driver who is at fault. Yes, we assume some risk, but this is unacceptable. Only 25% of the time we are to blame in a car v. bike collision, and in every one of those collisions we are the ones on the loosing end. So 75% of the time our bodies are getting hit by a ton of hardened steel through no fault of our own - and motorcycle riders are still branded as being the reckless ones on the road. It's bullshit.

 

[Cycle61]

I can't believe there wasn't one warning (unless I missed it) about the blatant and excessive name calling.

Enchanter requested twice that it be toned down. And it was.

...apologize and learn". It's what you do afterward. Some learn, some don't. The kid knows he screwed up.

I disagree. The apology, especially in light of Kurt's recount of the drivers' actions after the incident, seems hollow and insincere. I think he's sorry he got called out, and sorry that he's now locally infamous, but I don't think he has shown any ownership and acceptance of fault.

By the grace of God, a higher power, karma, luck, etc., Kurt is still with us and in one piece.

+1

Devine, you got off easy this time. All the bashing is nothing compared to the other possible outcomes. You're young. You've got some guts, too. Now take something from this experience, learn, and KEEP YOUR SHIT ON YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD!

+2 (Except the guts part. Sorry.)

 

[Yakoo752]

Thanks for the grammar check, wanna do it again for this post please?

The person i was quoting said nothing about going wrong directions, or anything even close, thats the reason i was laughing. I understand hauling ass around blind corners is bad but everyone is taking this to a pretty retarded level, I cruise down redwood during the day and i see cars doing the speed limit using both lanes (i'm not saying it makes it any better)

---so what is your point than?

Well as far as that goes I also understand this. But honestly I've almost gotten into atleast a few accidents because of bikes, I would've been a lot more upset if it was a SUV/Truck that did it but still man, thats part of driving. I'm sorry for those who lost friends, and almost lost their lives riding, but it's obviously worth it too them if they are willing to continue taking the risks.

The risk is worth it to a whole lot of us, but does that make the predicate action ok?

I felt by the end of reading the entire thread DivZ looked pretty damn good. He was willing to do everything within reason to give you guys piece of mind. People continued to shoot him down even after speaking to one rider in person. I believe the OP turned the information into the police. Why would he hold up too his word when the OP obviously doesn't feel an apology or anything that he can offer is good enough. It's kind of the theme to this thread. I wouldn't have stuck around either. Majority of the people here fail too see points people make and arrogantly shoot down their thoughts.

He was doing everything he could to get us to go away and not incriminate himself with the law or his own parents. See as an adult or child there are these things called consequences. Mr. DivineZ will have to acknowledge them at some point in his life. As a good natured individual, Kurt was trying to minimize those consequences by just speaking to the child's parents. When that option was not available Kurt took it to the next level, the Police... too bad Sting wasn't involved then this thread would be EPIC!!!!

Oh one last thing, I'm the first person to know about safety, i ALMOST made a mistake that would stick with me for the rest of my life. I learned from it. So if anything i should be the one on your side, but truth be told, I'm not. Just because the way you guys 'teach' lessons

What do you mean almost? That looks like a pretty big fucking mistake to me. I have made mistakes before in driving/riding. Never once did I roll a vehicle. I have low sided a few times even high sided once on the bike, and with the exception of 1 low side they ALL OCCURRED AT THE TRACK. I have 0 car accidents under my belt.. Hmmm I have been driving for 13 years now. From your screen name in photobucket I can assume you are all of 19 years old. So in your 3 years of driving you have DESTROYED 1 car and maybe almost 1 family?

Boy am I glad you know so much about safety, you managed to wreck whatever car that may be quite possibly due to reckless driving, maybe it was all that snow in the background! HMPH!!!

And yeah I never did like the way my Dad taught me lessons... It was painful and humiliating, but years later it was humbling and now it is the same method I will use with my children. If life lessons were meant to be easy than people would not get upset when you stupidly create issues with them!