Close one on Pinehurst - another effing M4M thread/rant

[Ant]

I think I'm gonna go back to post #2 and edit it to say something epic and insightful.

Why now?

 

[InsaneStang]

He only wants this off his back because of the heat.

His "apology" was hollow and insincere. If he was truly sorry, he wouldn't have made lame excuses for his actions.

Frankly, he only made it worse for himself by posting up a bullshit-laced "apology" then bitching out and leaving. He needs to man up and be honest about how it happened, and make an honest commitment to take that shit to a track in the future.

If you really search you will see that any assclown that posts I did 150 down 17 or I hit 220 on my mille or anything to the matter of look guys I was going dangerously fast, we flame the fuck out of! For instance... look up milleracer69 he has made claims to going 220mph and we all think he is a retard. Someone posted a video of them going incredibly fast at night down 17 we all said he was stupid as well. We EAT OUR OWN. It is that simple. Street riding motorcycles takes out its own trash eventually, driving cars does to but it normally involves the reckless driver going to prison because he killed someone. Not my kind of Justice but...


I do not go fast on the highway in fact most motorcyclist do not. Where is the fun in going fast in a straight line? BORING! We are not taking it out on 1 person as you so claim. When you go fishing do you ever catch all the fish? NOPE, he caught caught now he has to pay the price. Maybe if his car wasn't all "tricked" out and he didn't have the fancy license plate... then he might have got away with it. I guess that having showy stuff comes at a price. Kurt flamed him on BARF, I am sure his initial attempt was for it to not go this far... Who would have guessed that the AMAZING BARF SLEUTHS would gather this much info on DivZ? Who would have guessed that his own community (350z forum) would blackball him as well? Who would have guessed that he can no longer drive his fancy car without getting "saluted" ? I want him to continue to drive, to share the same passions about driving as I do... but I want him to do it safely!!!

hmmm so him committing suicide wether it be accidental or not by crossing the DY and going head-on into a much larger vehicle and you intentionally taking someone out possibly killing them... I see how you can easily make the cross correlation. Just know that if you ever unintentionally take a rider out your statements above could be used against you, thus providing intent thus putting you in severe legal circumstances.

Thats the same type of apology I give my girlfriend when I come staggering back home on a tuesday night drunk after hanging out with the boys all day. Baby, I promise it wont ever happen again she knows it's a lie I know it's a lie we just accept what it is ... because it's one of those no harm no foul type things!


Our goal is not to make him look like anything but to realize his mistake, acknowledge it, and prevent it from happening again...

Hummm so since people kill and get killed I think you should do the world a favor and.... yeah I wont finish this thought.

Who did DivZ talk to in person?

What we're trying to say is, there is a time and a place and a skill associated with going fast. Everyone can get on 101 and push the gas pedal down, that takes 0 skill. But to get on a "technical" road and drive it fast and push yourself and your vehicle all the while staying in your lane that takes skill. I do not condone street racing, but you can do it in a manner to minimize risks.

It is guys like you that say, "You motorcycles do it why can't we?" Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? Really? If for once you rode and never questioned your vulnerability than you probably should never get back on the bike. If two cars collide head-on at 35 mph who likely dies? Probably NOBODY... If a motorcycle and a car collide head-on at 35 mph who likely dies.... I'll give you a hint they more than likely weren't heavily protected with a 3-point safety harness, multiple airbags, impact reducing bumpers, and a roll cage of some sort! So when a motorcyclist crosses the DY to pass in a blind turn on one of my rides: I say something at the next stop point, I likely leave the ride, I never ride with said perpetrator again... because not only is he risking his life, he is risking another motorcyclist (what if one is coming the other direction?) and he is risking my fun... seeing a motorcyclist down definitely ruins my day.




DOES THIS ^^^ WORK FOR YOU??

Maybe you should come up to 1rider at Alice's (35 and 84) on saturday around noonish(I think thats when they will be there).

Thanks

I don't know about his apology being fake or not, neither do you for a fact. If he's willing to go meet face to face, it would be very clear by the time you got done talking to him though. The OP doesn't care to talk to him in person and decided to turn it into the police. So any attempts that you could've made to want too "beat it into him" just failed at that moment. You guys' aren't trying to help educate him, you guys are trying to punish him. I dont know about you guys' but when i was younger and my parents would ground me, i never really learned much other than too not get caught.

I see bikes hauling ass all the time; actually i see them hauling ass more often then i see them doing a reasonable speed.

DivZ talked to somebody in the first 10 pages, I can't remember his SN

The SAME road that you are saying takes skill to drive on, you're saying doesn't take skill to drive on in 2 lanes? If so that's just stupid. He said he has been going up there for 3 years and this is his first time anything like this happened, honestly i believe him. I doubt he'd bother wasting his time here if it wasn't. But i guess 1 close call in 3 years warrants him being reckless.

I rode a 1000, i suck at riding, and to be truthful i was scared. But what you just said is complete ignorance. Yes of course if you run into a bike he's most likely too die, motorcycles are death traps compared to vehicles. But if a bike crosses a DY who's to say the car wouldn't swerve and die running off the road or into the mountain? It goes both ways. Nobody owns the roads in this thread, motorcycles shouldn't get special consideration just because they're smaller than me. Remember it's not my choice to put you on a bike, it's your own, in this instance DivZ was 100% wrong but i feel as though you were trying to take this on a broader scale so i took it there.

What is 1rider? I only have a 250cc dirt bike so no cruises for me lol.

 

[tuxumino]

Thanks for the grammar check, wanna do it again for this post please?

The person i was quoting said nothing about going wrong directions, or anything even close, thats the reason i was laughing. I understand hauling ass around blind corners is bad but everyone is taking this to a pretty retarded level, I cruise down redwood during the day and i see cars doing the speed limit using both lanes (i'm not saying it makes it any better)

Well as far as that goes I also understand this. But honestly I've almost gotten into atleast a few accidents because of bikes, I would've been a lot more upset if it was a SUV/Truck that did it but still man, thats part of driving. I'm sorry for those who lost friends, and almost lost their lives riding, but it's obviously worth it too them if they are willing to continue taking the risks.

I felt by the end of reading the entire thread DivZ looked pretty damn good. He was willing to do everything within reason to give you guys piece of mind. People continued to shoot him down even after speaking to one rider in person. I believe the OP turned the information into the police. Why would he hold up too his word when the OP obviously doesn't feel an apology or anything that he can offer is good enough. It's kind of the theme to this thread. I wouldn't have stuck around either. Majority of the people here fail too see points people make and arrogantly shoot down their thoughts.

Oh one last thing, I'm the first person to know about safety, i ALMOST made a mistake that would stick with me for the rest of my life. I learned from it. So if anything i should be the one on your side, but truth be told, I'm not. Just because the way you guys 'teach' lessons

Ok Man, it's like this, If DivZ had come on here and said he had made a mistake, he was sorry and he won't do it again: then all would a been cool.
In Essence he did that, but then he made excuses for why he made a pass over the DY and that's when we all got on his case. His excuses made it sound like all he wanted was to get our forgiveness, but wasn't really going to change the way he drives.

Yes we all realize that the roads in the east bay hills have plenty of drivers and riders that will unintentionally blow the DY, and those that ride these roads must plan for a vehicle wondering into our lane, but when someone is intentionally crossing the DY in a four wheel vehicle, especially in corners, then we view it as a purposeful threat to us.

In this situation we have three choices: give up riding those roads, live and/or die with the increased risk or remove the hazard.

We can accomplish removing the hazard by either getting DivZ to see the error of his ways or removing him from the road.

Every type of user of these roads would love it if the other type of users would just go away, but that isn't going to happen: there will always be bicycles, motorcycles and cars up there. we learn to get along or get used to a permanent police presence on our favorite roads.

here's wishin' y'all a drama and trauma free summer.

 

[Blind_Io]

There is a whole sub-section on 1Rider, it's the top section in our forum. You are welcome to go see for yourself.

We are not asking for special consideration. Crossing the DY is bad mmmkay? If it had been a car in that lane instead of a bike there would have been no way to avoid a wreck. Kurt could have been killed, but so could anyone else up there, bike or not. It's not about bikes v. cars, so stop pushing that point. It's about DivineZ being a fuckhead on public roads and endangering everyone. We are just more attuned to danger because we have to be.

As for us wanting to punish him, yeah, because I don't think he's ever faced the consequences for his actions. Ever. Punishment is education, you punish your kid for doing something bad and through that he learns not to do that again. I don't think DivineZ ever learned that lesson. He seems to think he can skate out of this because no one got hurt this time.

Your increasingly Rube Goldberg "what-ifs" are not helping. What if aliens, trying to abduct a cow, knocked a boulder loose that fell down into the path of a motorcycle who had to swerve around it, causing a car full of nuns to hit a patch of oil and spin over the side of a cliff, bursting into flames." You can contrive any situation you like.

75% of all car v bike collisions are the fault of the car driver.

We don't want special considerations, everyone stays on their side of the DY. What is hard to understand about that? There is a difference between a mistake (not knowing how tight a corner is, the front tire slipping on a cold spot in the road, etc) and intention. DivineZ intentionally drove over the double-yellow on a blind corner. That has nothing to do with riders, nothing to do with other cars, it has everything to do with him.

Last thought: Yes, we are smaller than you, and yes, you do need to watch out for ALL vehicles on the road, including riders. YOU are also smaller than many vehicles on the road and they have to watch out for YOU. It cuts both ways.

 

[InsaneStang]

---so what is your point than?

The risk is worth it to a whole lot of us, but does that make the predicate action ok?

He was doing everything he could to get us to go away and not incriminate himself with the law or his own parents. See as an adult or child there are these things called consequences. Mr. DivineZ will have to acknowledge them at some point in his life. As a good natured individual, Kurt was trying to minimize those consequences by just speaking to the child's parents. When that option was not available Kurt took it to the next level, the Police... too bad Sting wasn't involved then this thread would be EPIC!!!!

What do you mean almost? That looks like a pretty big fucking mistake to me. I have made mistakes before in driving/riding. Never once did I roll a vehicle. I have low sided a few times even high sided once on the bike, and with the exception of 1 low side they ALL OCCURRED AT THE TRACK. I have 0 car accidents under my belt.. Hmmm I have been driving for 13 years now. From your screen name in photobucket I can assume you are all of 19 years old. So in your 3 years of driving you have DESTROYED 1 car and maybe almost 1 family?

Boy am I glad you know so much about safety, you managed to wreck whatever car that may be quite possibly due to reckless driving, maybe it was all that snow in the background! HMPH!!!

Well there was more than one person who said it's illegal to do what he was doing, all i was saying is theres a lot more people here that do illegal things in a vehicle then don't.

I mean almost because a friend of mine was riding in the passanger seat. It's nice to know you can drive for 13 years without one accident, i obviously can't. I am young and i DID fuck up. And trust me i did learn from it. Nobody was hurt i walked out with a broken collar bone and a few scars, my friend walked away with a few scratches (thank god)

If you mean to tell me that a whole lot of the people who run safety courses for people wasn't one time idiots then your not too bright. Shit the street racing task force in the east bay is filled with prior street racers. People learn from there experiences.

 

[Enchanter]

He said he has been going up there for 3 years and this is his first time anything like this happened, honestly i believe him. I doubt he'd bother wasting his time here if it wasn't. But i guess 1 close call in 3 years warrants him being reckless.

Are you saying that there has to be a close call for it to be considered reckless driving? That it isn't reckless unless someone else is endangered? Are you really trying to use that as a defense?

You and DivZ are close to the same age aren't you?

Well there was more than one person who said it's illegal to do what he was doing, all i was saying is theres a lot more people here that do illegal things in a vehicle then don't.

Than, it's than.

Yeah, parking illegally is the same as driving over the double yellow on a blind turn. Yeah, driving over the speed limit is the same as is the same as driving over the double yellow on a blind turn. Yeah, stopping past the limit line is the same as driving over the double yellow on a blind turn. I think I see your point.

 

[sifr]

Thanks




The SAME road that you are saying takes skill to drive on, you're saying doesn't take skill to drive on in 2 lanes? If so that's just stupid. He said he has been going up there for 3 years and this is his first time anything like this happened, honestly i believe him. I doubt he'd bother wasting his time here if it wasn't. But i guess 1 close call in 3 years warrants him being reckless.

I rode a 1000, i suck at riding, and to be truthful i was scared. But what you just said is complete ignorance. Yes of course if you run into a bike he's most likely too die, motorcycles are death traps compared to vehicles. But if a bike crosses a DY who's to say the car wouldn't swerve and die running off the road or into the mountain? It goes both ways. Nobody owns the roads in this thread, motorcycles shouldn't get special consideration just because they're smaller than me. Remember it's not my choice to put you on a bike, it's your own, in this instance DivZ was 100% wrong but i feel as though you were trying to take this on a broader scale so i took it there.

What is 1rider? I only have a 250cc dirt bike so no cruises for me lol.

You're missing two huge points here:

1) It doesn't matter HOW much skill it takes to drive in two lanes. YOU JUST DON'T DO IT. Period. Full stop. End of story.

2) Yes, motorcycles occasionally cross the DY. We're not asking for special consideration. Fuck, we lambaste anyone we catch doing it, because IT'S PISS-POOR RIDING, and damned dangerous to boot!


So, get it straight: We don't put up with our own doing it, and we're not going to tolerate it from anyone else. We don't typically get to correct such behavior in drivers before it kills one of us. This was a rare exception. Whenever we see it from a rider, that rider is educated and, if the education proves fruitless, that rider is ridiculed, shamed, and ostracised. Because nobody wants to ride with a dangerous asshat.

 

[Blind_Io]

Well there was more than one person who said it's illegal to do what he was doing, all i was saying is theres a lot more people here that do illegal things in a vehicle then don't.

I mean almost because a friend of mine was riding in the passanger seat. It's nice to know you can drive for 13 years without one accident, i obviously can't. I am young and i DID fuck up. And trust me i did learn from it. Nobody was hurt i walked out with a broken collar bone and a few scars, my friend walked away with a few scratches (thank god)

If you mean to tell me that a whole lot of the people who run safety courses for people wasn't one time idiots then your not too bright. Shit the street racing task force in the east bay is filled with prior street racers. People learn from there experiences.

No, some people learn from experience.

I don't care if what DivineZ did was legal or not (it wasn't, but that's not the point), it was dangerous. You say that it's our choice to ride, you're right. We take that risk, just as some riders go a step further and do unsafe things on the road. The difference is that when a rider fucks up, he's the one in the hospital or the morgue. When a driver fucks up, it's still the rider who's in the the hospital or the morgue.

That's why we say, "get a bike." If you do fuck up there are fewer people you can kill with a bike (pedestrians, cyclists and other riders are still in danger, but at least the 97.5% of the motoring public is safe).

 

[InsaneStang]

Ok Man, it's like this, If DivZ had come on here and said he had made a mistake, he was sorry and he won't do it again: then all would a been cool.
In Essence he did that, but then he made excuses for why he made a pass over the DY and that's when we all got on his case. His excuses made it sound like all he wanted was to get our forgiveness, but wasn't really going to change the way he drives.

Yes we all realize that the roads in the east bay hills have plenty of drivers and riders that will unintentionally blow the DY, and those that ride these roads must plan for a vehicle wondering into our lane, but when someone is intentionally crossing the DY in a four wheel vehicle, especially in corners, then we view it as a purposeful threat to us.

In this situation we have three choices: give up riding those roads, live and/or die with the increased risk or remove the hazard.

We can accomplish removing the hazard by either getting DivZ to see the error of his ways or removing him from the road.

Every type of user of these roads would love it if the other type of users would just go away, but that isn't going to happen: there will always be bicycles, motorcycles and cars up there. we learn to get along or get used to a permanent police presence on our favorite roads.

here's wishin' y'all a drama and trauma free summer.

Don't know how many times i've said it, he was willing to speak to you in person. IF i'm correct (not saying i am) Kurt? OP? turned it into the police before he left. It would've been a lot more effective if you would've taken him up on the offer to talk to him rather than to turn it into the police. Seriously, whats the odds of anything happening a week later?

All it did was turn him to leaving the forum, you obviously didn't want to 'help him' as all of you say. You wanted to talk shit too him.

 

[Yakoo752]

1rider is a volunteer organization that BARF has created to educate riders and drivers alike about motorcycle safety.

I do thank you for this is the first post that I have read in a while in this thread that had some intelligence in it. Too much

You are absolutely right! A motorcyclist could kill a "cager". No doubt in my mind that this is possible. But I could step outside my house and get struck by lightening. What I am getting to here is levels of probability. It is more probable that in a car vs moto incident the moto will LOSE. I can pull statistics if you would like but why waste each others time when it is also common knowledge.

By talked DivZ talking to someone I meant face to face. It is easy to communicate via interwebz but do you gather any emotion out of it? NOPE Talking face to face with Kurt or any member of 1Rider would show a lot of consideration and concern for others. IMHO that is.

If you would like to review the videos of DivZ's skill than I can have them reposted. They are enough to show a pattern in his behavior. He can say that this is a one time occurrence but his videos say otherwise, and actions speak louder than words right?
I do not know what was worse; the panic that kurt felt or the panic in DivZ's passenger's voice?

And us motorcycle's do not get special anything. Nobody owns the road you are absolutely right...

I don't know how to put this properly into words but maybe you will get my drift...

Shouldn't we all follow the rules of common sense and good judgement? The laws were put into affect to prevent the average individual from killing someone. It than takes good judgement to know when the laws should be followed and should not be followed. I take most laws as a guideline. I know what the consequences of breaking them are both legally and personally. It than becomes my choice to break them. but the argument you are making is a slippery slope. Just because I did it means you can do it, and if you can do it than he/she can do it.

I rarely pass via the DY but I do. I tend to do it on a straightaway in the safest manner possible. I use my turn signals and I flash my high beams. I do everything in my power to pass in the safest manner possible. It takes a lot of judgement to ride out there. Like i said anyone can twist the wrist.

 

[Blind_Io]

Don't know how many times i've said it, he was willing to speak to you in person. IF i'm correct (not saying i am) Kurt? OP? turned it into the police before he left. It would've been a lot more effective if you would've taken him up on the offer to talk to him rather than to turn it into the police. Seriously, whats the odds of anything happening a week later?

All it did was turn him to leaving the forum, you obviously didn't want to 'help him' as all of you say. You wanted to talk shit too him.

*sigh* Didn't we just have this conversation?

1 - He had his chance and he blew it. That's not our fault, that's on him. We just called him out on his bullshit post and demanded something real.
2 - He couldn't handle being asked to actually take full and sole responsibility for his actions and continued to shovel the blame around on others
3 - He's a chicken-shit and he left instead of facing the music.

 

[Roundboy]

This has surpassed the guinea pig junkpile forum wars, and is now closing in on the creatures of the loin forum war.

\m/

LOLLERCOPTERSROTFLAMATRUEFLAVOR

haha now it's getting close to surpasing even the FRONG WAR (which mind you lasted for years)

 

[InsaneStang]

You're missing two huge points here:

1) It doesn't matter HOW much skill it takes to drive in two lanes. YOU JUST DON'T DO IT. Period. Full stop. End of story.

2) Yes, motorcycles occasionally cross the DY. We're not asking for special consideration. Fuck, we lambaste anyone we catch doing it, because IT'S PISS-POOR RIDING, and damned dangerous to boot!


So, get it straight: We don't put up with our own doing it, and we're not going to tolerate it from anyone else. We don't typically get to correct such behavior in drivers before it kills one of us. This was a rare exception. Whenever we see it from a rider, that rider is educated and, if the education proves fruitless, that rider is ridiculed, shamed, and ostracised. Because nobody wants to ride with a dangerous asshat.

Thats fucking nice, you guys have told me this over and over, I realized this. You treat your own the same bla bla bla.... i got that. The post I QUOTED had me under the assumption he meant it's not dangerious for people in cars when motorcycles cross the DY.

and read other posts about the "correcting people" i made.

 

[Blind_Io]

Thats fucking nice, you guys have told me this over and over, I realized this. You treat your own the same bla bla bla.... i got that. The post I QUOTED had me under the assumption he meant it's not dangerious for people in cars when motorcycles cross the DY.

and read other posts about the "correcting people" i made.

It is dangerous. It's not AS dangerous. Simple fact, in a head-on collision the rider looses. In any collision, the rider looses. That is not an excuse to cross the DY, it's just a fact. Yes, drivers can be hurt too, which is all the more reason to stay on your own damn side of the road.

There have been cases of riders blowing the DY and hitting other riders, so we have just as much stake in keeping all vehicles in their own lane at all times. I never pass on the DY, ever. I would rather put behind a slow moving car and wait for a safe place to pass. I take it as a chance to sit back in the saddle, relax my legs a bit and take in the view.

 

[Yakoo752]

Figure out the difference between probable and possible!

It is possible in a vehicular incident that a motorcyclist can kill an auto-driver but it is improbable.

It is possible and probable in a vehicular accident that an auto-driver will kill a motorcyclist!

 

[InsaneStang]

1rider is a volunteer organization that BARF has created to educate riders and drivers alike about motorcycle safety.

I do thank you for this is the first post that I have read in a while in this thread that had some intelligence in it. Too much

You are absolutely right! A motorcyclist could kill a "cager". No doubt in my mind that this is possible. But I could step outside my house and get struck by lightening. What I am getting to here is levels of probability. It is more probable that in a car vs moto incident the moto will LOSE. I can pull statistics if you would like but why waste each others time when it is also common knowledge.

By talked DivZ talking to someone I meant face to face. It is easy to communicate via interwebz but do you gather any emotion out of it? NOPE Talking face to face with Kurt or any member of 1Rider would show a lot of consideration and concern for others. IMHO that is.

If you would like to review the videos of DivZ's skill than I can have them reposted. They are enough to show a pattern in his behavior. He can say that this is a one time occurrence but his videos say otherwise, and actions speak louder than words right?
I do not know what was worse; the panic that kurt felt or the panic in DivZ's passenger's voice?

And us motorcycle's do not get special anything. Nobody owns the road you are absolutely right...

I don't know how to put this properly into words but maybe you will get my drift...

Shouldn't we all follow the rules of common sense and good judgement? The laws were put into affect to prevent the average individual from killing someone. It than takes good judgement to know when the laws should be followed and should not be followed. I take most laws as a guideline. I know what the consequences of breaking them are both legally and personally. It than becomes my choice to break them. but the argument you are making is a slippery slope. Just because I did it means you can do it, and if you can do it than he/she can do it.

I rarely pass via the DY but I do. I tend to do it on a straightaway in the safest manner possible. I use my turn signals and I flash my high beams. I do everything in my power to pass in the safest manner possible. It takes a lot of judgement to ride out there. Like i said anyone can twist the wrist.

Wheres the Bow down smiley?! But honestly this is a badass post, and the best that I've read on this thread. But honestly, this is the society we live in, if one person can do it and get away with it, why can't everyone else? Truthfully if a cop admitted to letting one person go and pulling another over for the exact reason he'd be in trouble no?

Everything else i love about your post though!

*sigh* Didn't we just have this conversation?

1 - He had his chance and he blew it. That's not our fault, that's on him. We just called him out on his bullshit post and demanded something real.
2 - He couldn't handle being asked to actually take full and sole responsibility for his actions and continued to shovel the blame around on others
3 - He's a chicken-shit and he left instead of facing the music.

I'm doing more than going through this thread so i'm not replying back quick. That's your opinion i feel it to be wrong.

 

[sifr]

Don't know how many times i've said it, he was willing to speak to you in person. IF i'm correct (not saying i am) Kurt? OP? turned it into the police before he left. It would've been a lot more effective if you would've taken him up on the offer to talk to him rather than to turn it into the police. Seriously, whats the odds of anything happening a week later?

All it did was turn him to leaving the forum, you obviously didn't want to 'help him' as all of you say. You wanted to talk shit too him.

Kurt waited a week. that's ample time for DivZ to have done something resembling being an adult.

 

[clutchslip]

Thats fucking nice, you guys have told me this over and over, I realized this. You treat your own the same bla bla bla.... i got that. The post I QUOTED had me under the assumption he meant it's not dangerious for people in cars when motorcycles cross the DY.

and read other posts about the "correcting people" i made.

Ya, know. You Nissan people are starting to PISS ME OFF.

I wrote, NICELY, here and on the 350 forum, how I was almost killed by a jerk crossing the double yellow.
I wrote, NICELY, how I had a 300 Z turbo.
I do not approve of the tough guy talk from people here on BARF.

But, if you don't get a damn grip on how dangerous this kind of driving is to EVERYONE. And if you don't just say, "hey, sorry. We'll work on it."

Then you are creating enemies with people who would rather be friends. And that never works out well, especially for YOU.

 

[Blind_Io]

Then please, by all means, explain to me how his posts took sole responsibility for his actions.

Please outline how his pledge to continue driving on public roads this way, but warning us of the times he will be there, constitutes changing his ways.

He had a chance and he blew it Kurt could have immediately filed a police report, but waited to hear what the kid had to say. When DivineZ continued to shovel blame around and lie to us (The Miata almost hit him, the Miata brake-checked him, etc) Kurt decided he had enough and the best way to teach the kid a lesson was to involve the authorities, and thus the kid's parents.

I think Kurt showed incredible patience and willingness to listen and DivineZ blew his one and only chance. Why would Kurt want to waste his time to meet someone who will continue to make excuses for his dangerous choices?

Please make your answers count, I have more than a bit of experience working with criminal and "behaviorally challenged" adolescents.

 

[Yakoo752]

So have you ever been pulled over and than let go?

I just recently had this happen to me. He pulled me over for excessive speeds, crossing the double yellow, and reckless driving and then he let me go. Hmmm you may be thinking to yourself WOW did he get lucky. Yes and NO. It was Tuesday around 1 pm there was zero traffic on the road... I crossed the DY so I could maintain my speeds and not endanger the AT&T worker on the right side of the road and I was by myself. My driving was not reckless but my speeds could be construed as such. The moment I saw him I pulled over for him immediately.

We spoke briefly and my comments were...

I know this is dangerous (motorcycle riding) and so I ride these hills on weekdays when there is no traffic in full gear by myself. This minimizes the danger I am to others.

the cop replied with.

I am not going to ticket you because it is tuesday there is no traffic you are in full gear and I witnessed you pass that ATT guy and cross lanes to reduce the danger you would be to him. Ride safe... He also commented on my track attendance stickersHe got back onto his badass moto and drove off.

Police Officers are given the sanction of discretion. They can ticket or not ticket anyone breaking the law

FWIW I never broke 55 mph