Close one on Pinehurst - another effing M4M thread/rant

[Psyclotron]

I'm not going to speak for Kurt, he can do that for himself.

We've already established that his "mistake," as you put it, is not an isolated incident, but a deliberate act. That's not a mistake, it's a choice.

If he said that it's no excuse, then stop making excuses and just say, "There is no excuse for my actions, I'm sorry." He might, hypothetically, go on to say that he will keep it on his side of the DY and take his drifting or togueing or whatever the hell it is to close-circuit tracks. That would have been the way to handle it. Saying "I'm not making excuses BUT..." just shows that you still make excuses.

Turning him into the police is a severe consequence for a severely fucked-up pattern of behavior that has severe consequences. It is, however, much less severe than a judge telling him to attend the funeral of his victim before going to jail while ownership of his parents' home is turned over to the victim's family as compensation. Based on my experience, his posts and his behavior pattern, I doubt he has ever faced many consequences. I would put money on his parents being permissive in their parenting style and not enforcing consequences for misdeeds. These lessons are ones that many of us learn early in life stealing cookies as children. Now he's older and he doesn't get it, so, to combat years of ingrained behavior and thought patterns, a more direct approach is required. Anything less will be perceived as weakness and he will likely think that he managed to talk his way out of yet another consequence. This single act of reporting him to the police, may, in the long run, be the single greatest force in reforming him, or at least getting him off the road for a while. He will likely cry that it's not fair and that no one was hurt, that he did nothing wrong and that we, as motorcyclists, are unfairly persecuting him. Tough. That's the result of his decision; the consequence for his actions.

I personally think Kurt was more than charitable in not calling the cops immediately. I can't say that I would have done the same.

Well said. Charitable and patient enough indeed.

 

[Diezel]

I'm not going to speak for Kurt, he can do that for himself.

We've already established that his "mistake," as you put it, is not an isolated incident, but a deliberate act. That's not a mistake, it's a choice.


I personally think Kurt was more than charitable in not calling the cops immediately. I can't say that I would have done the same.

I believe at the moment Kurt may have thought it to be a "meh, one time occurrence... Move on" kind of deal.

After how this thread has played out, and the attitudes and false apologies of those involved. I seriously hope that diplomacy has flown the coup' and Kurt has escalated this to the proper authorities.

It seems to me, that with the attitudes of those involved, the false apology was nothing more then that of an attempt to dodge legal reprocussions.

 

[Karbon]

Why are guys arguing with some dumbass 19 year old who really doesn't give a shit and I'm not talking about Divz. Divz is a different brand of stubborn idiocy.

lets re-explore STREET JUSTICE!

 

[Blind_Io]

Or, let's not - especially considering this thread is being watched by people all over the country right now, if not from around the world.

 

[B-Cuz]

But since your so good, PLEASE PLEASE... Oh magical one... Please read my future!

The magicical 8 ball predicts;

Last few pages have been PURE comedy. Great start to a busy weekend.

 

[Karbon]

I was speaking facetiously btw.

i'm not saying to firebomb his car although i think that would be hilarious in mob-like get the picthfork-and-torches kind of way.

I do think this thread has grown fruitless and as usual, it gets filled with a bunch of people who like to hear themselves talk/read. But, it is the internet, this is discourse and it has to happen.

I do hope Kurt gets what he needs out of this whole thing.

 

[Jakemate]

......to suggesting that he kill himself. Suggesting that he kill himself? What kind of person would say that to another? What the fuck is wrong with you people? That is a horrible, fucked up thing to say. He DOES NOT deserve that. That is crossing the line. And those of you that would say such a thing should really look inside of yourselves and reflect, because you have issues.

Yup, main issue is people killing others. I'd much rather have had Mixon eat the barrel of his Glock than take out four officers. I'd rather the ass that killed his family and himself would have just eaten his own bullet. I'd rather have child rapists throw themselves off of cliffs than to violate a child. Hell, if the unhappy with life guy that hit me had done himself, I wouldn't be in constant pain now.

Am I still across the DY?

 

[Yakoo752]

I just hope that one person out of the 32,581 that has read this thread will come to senses about their driving and keep it in their own lane!!!

 

[Bluenote]

OK, you guys keep trying to bring up street legal events, who cares about legal events? Most of you have said you don't care about him hauling ass on the road. Why bring up your guys' "direction"

.

Who cares about street legal events? Ya gotta be kidding me. Because it was an "event" that most assuredly was in no way legal that precipitated this whole debacle.


Tell you something else ya wet behind the ears defend the indefensible TROLL , it's those of the same ilk as Divine Z and YOU that completely ruined "streetracing" not only in this state but across the damned country.

And don't bother argueing , because I *know*. Not only did I formerly work for both FAR Performance and Garretson Enterprises , I for many years shoed some of the quickest cars in the Bay Area , including several that were in the 9.50 range in street trim , not Internet times , real world times. And guess what we got away with "streetracing" in this state and others in those days because we policed our own and weren't idiotic about when and where we ran.

And then the Fast and The Fuckups came along and overnight we had fools like DivineZ ( and I'd hazard a guess YOU) who came along and attempted to emulate a really stupid flick and the things they saw therein just to be " cool" a bunch of fools in 15 second tiddlers with fartcan mufflers and 5 foot wings who brought the heat down in every oldtime locale in Calif and across the nation and screwed it up for everyone.

Your boy and idiots like him are the reason behind laws that now have folks streetrides being siezed , impounded and at times going to the crusher , you sort are the ones responsible for the demise of Crossman ave in S'Vale , the Pulgas Water Temple , Industrial Blvd in Hayward and a host of other hotspots in the Bay Area. You're the reason for folks getting their hoods popped and having the gendarmerie go over the engine bay with a fine tooth comb , the reason for various anti-NOX laws in a variety of locales around the country , the reason why oldmen who haven't run in years are getting hassled simply for having a 6-71 stacked on top of that Rat motor.

In short , eventually individuals like DivineZ will be the death of true hotrodding.

All because idiots like you "boy" will do what THEY want to , to the exclusion of public safety or the good of their own community. You're too bloody dense to realise that policing your own will forestall the authorities policing your entire community.

" ME FIRST ", is seemingly your motto of life , and y'all fail to understand that folks in the Bay Area that are familar with this incident will now look upon just about any 350Z with a jaundiced eye.

But hey feel free to keep raving on with your bad self and whining about how "mean" folks are , but cry your crocodile tears elsewhere 'cause folks here aren't buying it.



B.

 

[SuperMike]

Tell you something else ya wet behind the ears defend the indefensible TROLL , it's those of the same ilk as Divine Z and YOU that completely ruined "streetracing" not only in this state but across the damned country.

And don't bother argueing , because I *know*....

But hey feel free to keep raving on with your bad self and whining about how "mean" folks are , but cry your crocodile tears elsewhere 'cause folks here aren't buying it.

Amen!

 

[BPBiker]

You guys are killing me! Insane/Div/Dc*sk8r/whoever are playing you all like a cheap guitar. It started out amusing, but is now just kind of sad.

 

[Cycle61]

I just hope that one person out of the 32,581 that has read this thread will come to senses about their driving and keep it in their own lane!!!

 

[budman]

There are a few different levels of conversation at this point going on here..

Amusing for some.. deadly serious for others. Many like always with a different view point.

I honestly give it up for the car involved for coming here to speak. That speaks something to the mans ethic.. as he could have easily just faded from our minds.

I know well young and foolish and I know that old my kind of older foolish is a hell of lot safer for me and ...OTHERS!

I think some have gotten something out of this.. at the same time more than a chuckle is on the table here and the discussion is worthy.

However..leaving this thread open really is based on A good discussion..

we will let it go , but we won't let it go to hell .

Kurt is my friend and I know very much the feeling of 4 on my side. It is some puckering moments and that has a huge impact on us as motorcyclist even if we escape from harm as the Hun's skills and choices help shape the end result.

The end result is someone from all this.. walking away a little wiser and more cautious..Bicycle.. motorcycle .. dear.. jogger.. U Turn tourist..other touger dude or whatever.

Fun can be had between the DY and a safe margin for the above and certainly blind assumption is a f*&$ fest for all if your going to ride or drive out of your site lined.

At that point you really are putting others at risk besides yourself.. and wisdom says..

Don't do that.

 

[InsaneStang]

Who cares about street legal events? Ya gotta be kidding me. Because it was an "event" that most assuredly was in no way legal that precipitated this whole debacle.


Tell you something else ya wet behind the ears defend the indefensible TROLL , it's those of the same ilk as Divine Z and YOU that completely ruined "streetracing" not only in this state but across the damned country.

And don't bother argueing , because I *know*. Not only did I formerly work for both FAR Performance and Garretson Enterprises , I for many years shoed some of the quickest cars in the Bay Area , including several that were in the 9.50 range in street trim , not Internet times , real world times. And guess what we got away with "streetracing" in this state and others in those days because we policed our own and weren't idiotic about when and where we ran.

And then the Fast and The Fuckups came along and overnight we had fools like DivineZ ( and I'd hazard a guess YOU) who came along and attempted to emulate a really stupid flick and the things they saw therein just to be " cool" a bunch of fools in 15 second tiddlers with fartcan mufflers and 5 foot wings who brought the heat down in every oldtime locale in Calif and across the nation and screwed it up for everyone.

Your boy and idiots like him are the reason behind laws that now have folks streetrides being siezed , impounded and at times going to the crusher , you sort are the ones responsible for the demise of Crossman ave in S'Vale , the Pulgas Water Temple , Industrial Blvd in Hayward and a host of other hotspots in the Bay Area. You're the reason for folks getting their hoods popped and having the gendarmerie go over the engine bay with a fine tooth comb , the reason for various anti-NOX laws in a variety of locales around the country , the reason why oldmen who haven't run in years are getting hassled simply for having a 6-71 stacked on top of that Rat motor.

In short , eventually individuals like DivineZ will be the death of true hotrodding.

All because idiots like you "boy" will do what THEY want to , to the exclusion of public safety or the good of their own community. You're too bloody dense to realise that policing your own will forestall the authorities policing your entire community.

" ME FIRST ", is seemingly your motto of life , and y'all fail to understand that folks in the Bay Area that are familar with this incident will now look upon just about any 350Z with a jaundiced eye.

But hey feel free to keep raving on with your bad self and whining about how "mean" folks are , but cry your crocodile tears elsewhere 'cause folks here aren't buying it.



B.

Dude this is awesome. Thanks for all the compliments, truly. I've done a lot more for California then you ever will if what you say is even partially true. I think i'm gonna write California a letter and ask them to hand me over some cash since i helped them so much. Truly I am honored for you to think so highly of me.

I think it's time for me 2 blow thru a bunch of red lights and kill a cop in the process now to help even further .

Oh and Fast and Furious is true to lyfe!!! Just cuz y0u aint kn0win shiett about it dun make it untru!!! Old ass mofukas now adays! we stay racing for slips, with enough nitrous to blow blocks up! and nitrous truly is flammable by itself! It's all that gas inside of the bottle!

 

[Stormdragon]

Dude this is awesome. Thanks for all the compliments, truly. I've done a lot more for California then you ever will if what you say is even partially true. I think i'm gonna write California a letter and ask them to hand me over some cash since i helped them so much. Truly I am honored for you to think so highly of me.

I think it's time for me 2 blow thru a bunch of red lights and kill a cop in the process now to help even further .

Oh and Fast and Furious is true to lyfe!!! Just cuz y0u aint kn0win shiett about it dun make it untru!!! Old ass mofukas now adays! we stay racing for slips, with enough nitrous to blow blocks up! and nitrous truly is flammable by itself! It's all that gas inside of the bottle!

Well, I think that pretty much /threads it.

 

[Bluenote]

There are a few different levels of conversation at this point going on here..

Amusing for some.. deadly serious for others. Many like always with a different view point.

I honestly give it up for the car involved for coming here to speak. That speaks something to the mans ethic.. as he could have easily just faded from our minds.

I know well young and foolish and I know that old my kind of older foolish is a hell of lot safer for me and ...OTHERS!

I think some have gotten something out of this.. at the same time more than a chuckle is on the table here and the discussion is worthy.

However..leaving this thread open really is based on A good discussion..

we will let it go , but we won't let it go to hell .

Kurt is my friend and I know very much the feeling of 4 on my side. It is some puckering moments and that has a huge impact on us as motorcyclist even if we escape from harm as the Hun's skills and choices help shape the end result.

The end result is someone from all this.. walking away a little wiser and more cautious..Bicycle.. motorcycle .. dear.. jogger.. U Turn tourist..other touger dude or whatever.

Fun can be had between the DY and a safe margin for the above and certainly blind assumption is a f*&$ fest for all if your going to ride or drive out of your site lined.

At that point you really are putting others at risk besides yourself.. and wisdom says..

Don't do that.

Much wisdom in your post Budman , but when folks started in on his case DivineZ bailed like froglegs leaving an uncovered hot frying pan.


B.

 

[Bluenote]

Dude this is awesome. Thanks for all the compliments, truly. I've done a lot more for California then you ever will if what you say is even partially true. I think i'm gonna write California a letter and ask them to hand me over some cash since i helped them so much. Truly I am honored for you to think so highly of me.

I think it's time for me 2 blow thru a bunch of red lights and kill a cop in the process now to help even further .

Oh and Fast and Furious is true to lyfe!!! Just cuz y0u aint kn0win shiett about it dun make it untru!!! Old ass mofukas now adays! we stay racing for slips, with enough nitrous to blow blocks up! and nitrous truly is flammable by itself! It's all that gas inside of the bottle!

That's all you've got? That's your entire rebuttal? Hows about some truth , y'all race on the street because you don't have the devotion and persistence to make it to the track , you couldn't cut a decent light to save your own ass you can't build a motor or set up a chassis and to fools like you NOX is nothing more than a crutch to cover the facts above. You're likely another bozo who installs a dry kit , stacks too big a shot on it and wonders why you lifted a head or windowed a block.

And Old Ass blah , blah , blah , just more antisocial dickswinging on your part , that's all that is. I was messing with the Fox body 'Stangs when the best part of you was still dripping out of the condom , a windsor stroker isn't your boyfriend named windsor stroking you.

Now back to the bottom line and then I'll leave you to rave on and tell all and sundry how you " know it all".

And said bottom line is this , YOUR boy made a mistake , a bad one , luckily nobody got killed or injured , he then popped up here with a halfassed apology/explanation but wouldn't take ownership and responsibility of his own mistake , he then sniveled and called in more snivelers to back him up when the heat got to be more than his wee widdle fweewings could handle. And he made your whole community look bad , you and the rest of his friends helped to create an adversarial relationship where there was none , and quite likely there will be a good deal more enforcement on the road in question.

Now come on back with your blah , blah , blah about how tough , how bad how fast you are ,you'll blow everyone away , you're the greatest tuner since Smokey Yunick , you car " RUNS 7S YO" as all the associated horseshit you types inevitably sputter.

Now run along and heat your NOX bottle with a torch will ya boy.





B.

 

[InsaneStang]

That's all you've got? That's your entire rebuttal? Hows about some truth , y'all race on the street because you don't have the devotion and persistence to make it to the track , you couldn't cut a decent light to save your own ass you can't build a motor or set up a chassis and to fools like you NOX is nothing more than a crutch to cover the facts above. You're likely another bozo who installs a dry kit , stacks too big a shot on it and wonders why you lifted a head or windowed a block.

And Old Ass blah , blah , blah , just more antisocial dickswinging on your part , that's all that is. I was messing with the Fox body 'Stangs when the best part of you was still dripping out of the condom , a windsor stroker isn't your boyfriend named windsor stroking you.

Now back to the bottom line and then I'll leave you to rave on and tell all and sundry how you " know it all".

And said bottom line is this , YOUR boy made a mistake , a bad one , luckily nobody got killed or injured , he then popped up here with a halfassed apology/explanation but wouldn't take ownership and responsibility of his own mistake , he then sniveled and called in more snivelers to back him up when the heat got to be more than his wee widdle fweewings could handle. And he made your whole community look bad , you and the rest of his friends helped to create an adversarial relationship where there was none , and quite likely there will be a good deal more enforcement on the road in question.

Now come on back with your blah , blah , blah about how tough , how bad how fast you are ,you'll blow everyone away , you're the greatest tuner since Smokey Yunick , you car " RUNS 7S YO" as all the associated horseshit you types inevitably sputter.

Now run along and heat your NOX bottle with a torch will ya boy.
B.

Is that best you can do to get a reaction out of me really? Whatever, the fastest the car i own right now has gone is 12.8. The fastest car i've been in is 10.50s. I'm glad that you've been faster, and know more than me. Thanks for calling me a boy, it must really make you feel old, I wouldn't mind staying a "boy" for the rest of my life. I'm sure you have 2-3 kids my age, owned every car there is to own bla bla bla. This isn't NorCal1320, nor WCGR those stories might entertain them better.

 

[Lupin]

I forget, where is 1Rider setting up this weekend? I'd look back in the posts, but we're up to 54 pages now...

 

[tuxumino]

All it did was turn him to leaving the forum, you obviously didn't want to 'help him' as all of you say. You wanted to talk shit too him.

your damn right I don't want to help. I just want him to stay on his side of the fucking road.

end of report!