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The Official 2015/2016 NFL Thread
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I'm still on the fence when it comes to Baalke. It would be great if they proved me wrong - Tomsula, Baalke, and Jeddybear. I'd love it. I'd be happy to say I was wrong if they pulled a Lombardi out of their ass at the end of this season. And the gods know I rarely pick it right when it comes to my 9ers. Too much emotion wrapped up in my team. But I think firing Harbs was a huge mistake. And only a hair worse than not giving him more power over personnel decisions.
maybe?
I still maintain Harbaugh wears out his welcome everywhere he goes. he never stayed at one coaching job for more than 4 years -- 2 with the Raiders, 3 at USD, 4 at Stanford, and 4 with the Niners. I'd be massively surprised if he stays with Michigan long term.
I still maintain Harbaugh wears out his welcome everywhere he goes. he never stayed at one coaching job for more than 4 years -- 2 with the Raiders, 3 at USD, 4 at Stanford, and 4 with the Niners. I'd be massively surprised if he stays with Michigan long term.
Raiders defeat Seahawks in Super Bowl 50.
You heard it here first.
Maybe. But only if the Chipmunk from up north stops stuffing his face enough to get back into fighting trim again.
Much of that can be chalked up to climbing the ladder though too. I think we may be able to agree that he's a high strung person who expects only the highest level of performance from himself as well as those around him. It's what makes him successful and it's also what makes him hard to deal with. To me the level of success he brings with him is worth finding a way to manage the rougher parts of his personality. As it is now he has an entire state's worth of fans who will hold him up on a pedestal as long as he's winning (maybe as long as he beats OSU for the first few seasons?). He won't leave UoM like he's left other places. He's finally got the type of support he needs to succeed without having someone peering over his shoulder all the time. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if UoM starts making regular appearances in the 4 team tourney within the next 3 years. And wins their first NCAA championship in decades under his reign.
I've been right about one thing over the past 5 years when it comes to my 9ers. I knew Harbs would get the team back into contention when he was hired. I didn't know he'd take them to the NFCCG his first year. But I knew he would get the team to perform. Now he's gone. And who replaces him? A fucking D line coach whose only HC experience was during the interim of a failed season. If nothing else, the major draft duds included, Baalke's inability to find a way to make it work with Harbs is enough to cast doubt on Baalke's ability to manage the team.
Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
Nearly as bad as some of the things Skip Balless has said, yet they keep him as well....
Really? If you want to go further in this discussion the first item we'll have to agree on is that he wasn't entirely responsible for the 2010 draft.
Now, if we can agree on that then we can move forward and just count drafts since 2011. By me recollection there are only 10 players starting in the league that were drafted by Baalke. 10 of 40 players. I will agree that there are a another handful who look like they will be able to play in the league for a long time to come. But they could just as well roll over too. And of the 10 starters I'd say 3, maybe 4, have superstar potential.
And the 2012 draft wasn't just bad. So far it's been a complete and utter bust. Joe Looney is the only player still on the 9er roster. Most of them aren't even in the league anymore. The number one now a FA and the number two is trying to kick start his career in the dregs of the AFC (Miami).
To me Baalke's performance has simply been passable. Nothing great. Nothing truly horrid. Middle of the road.
On the other hand Harbs turned a team with talent into a SB contender in his first season as HC.
Baakle's drafting is not the force behind the 49ers' recent success.
Now, if we can agree on that then we can move forward and just count drafts since 2011. By me recollection there are only 10 players starting in the league that were drafted by Baalke. 10 of 40 players. I will agree that there are a another handful who look like they will be able to play in the league for a long time to come. But they could just as well roll over too. And of the 10 starters I'd say 3, maybe 4, have superstar potential.
And the 2012 draft wasn't just bad. So far it's been a complete and utter bust. Joe Looney is the only player still on the 9er roster. Most of them aren't even in the league anymore. The number one now a FA and the number two is trying to kick start his career in the dregs of the AFC (Miami).
To me Baalke's performance has simply been passable. Nothing great. Nothing truly horrid. Middle of the road.
On the other hand Harbs turned a team with talent into a SB contender in his first season as HC.
Baakle's drafting is not the force behind the 49ers' recent success.
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Baalke did run the 2010 draft though. Even if you ignore that --
Projected 2015 starters Baalke drafted: Aldon, Kaep, Culliver, Kilgore, Miller, Reid, Carradine, Ward, Hyde, Martin, Borland, Thomas, Ellington, Lynch.
Not to mention rotational guys like Dontae Johnson, Corey Lemonier, Nick Moody, Kendall Hunter, Quinton Dial, Quinton Patton.
Then looking beyond just the players he picked. He got Anquan Boldin for a 6th, basically got Stevie Johnson for free by manipulating several draft picks, etc.
People can give Harbaugh all the credit for the Niners success, but he's not the one who had the final say in putting the team together and I can think of PLENTY of times he was outcoached on the sideline by the opposite team - -misuse of timeouts, poor clock management, inability to make adjustments during the course of a game, etc. Somehow that's all forgotten when he is no longer in charge and he's a fantastic guy who never did anything wrong
Projected 2015 starters Baalke drafted: Aldon, Kaep, Culliver, Kilgore, Miller, Reid, Carradine, Ward, Hyde, Martin, Borland, Thomas, Ellington, Lynch.
Not to mention rotational guys like Dontae Johnson, Corey Lemonier, Nick Moody, Kendall Hunter, Quinton Dial, Quinton Patton.
Then looking beyond just the players he picked. He got Anquan Boldin for a 6th, basically got Stevie Johnson for free by manipulating several draft picks, etc.
People can give Harbaugh all the credit for the Niners success, but he's not the one who had the final say in putting the team together and I can think of PLENTY of times he was outcoached on the sideline by the opposite team - -misuse of timeouts, poor clock management, inability to make adjustments during the course of a game, etc. Somehow that's all forgotten when he is no longer in charge and he's a fantastic guy who never did anything wrong
He "ran" the draft and picked the players McLoughin had tagged in 2010.
I agree with the bolded players. And I agree some of his FA moves have panned out well. I agree on most everything you've said. The parting of the ways may be in the fact that I think what Baalke has done is essentially what any team should expect of a GM. He's pulled a solid set of personnel together. He's neither a shining example of a GM nor a dismal failure. That's great but that doesn't make a winning team. Coaching does that. The 49ers have had a solid roster of personnel since 2009 yet that roster wasn't successful until 2011-2014. The one factor that pulled it together was JH. Yes, I will take all the "bad" things a coach comes with if it means the team is going to post double digit wins 75% of the time and the down year is break even. I'll take that all the time.
But that's just me.
Except for the failures in the biggest games of the season, when being outcoached makes all the difference in the world. That and the "bad" things that should reflect on Harbaugh were significant.
Eldritch
is insensitive
Can we just take a minute to talk about how Tank Carradine is like one of the best names for a ball player, ever. I mean, he's no Stomp Smashass, but he is pretty up there.
Dude, I would love to have another Lombardi in the trophy case. But I would hate it even more if the team slid back into having 3-13, 5-11, 6-10 seasons. I could give a fuck if Harbs or any other coach for that matter makes a few mistakes here and there. The fact of it remains: he was the difference between the team being a 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 team and posting double digit wins with playoff berths. Fact.
Bowling4Bikes
Steee-riiike!
all the players seemed to be willing to play for the man Jim Harbaugh. the only thing stopping him from continuing was his bosses, who are of a different sort than football players. this is most likely true for all teams. but it surely is true for sf: the brass got rubbed the wrong way by harbaugh, and that was that. maybe they didn't know there would be a mass exodus/willingness to retire of great players, maybe they didn't care. but really...if they didn't care about making people happy and they really cared about winning, then they should have sucked up their own egos and dealt with Harbaugh for longer.
in the 49ers case, it really seems like the brass is the prima donnas while the players they selected were the consummate professionals. and this is from someone who wants to hate on 9ers...very hard to do, until recently.
in the 49ers case, it really seems like the brass is the prima donnas while the players they selected were the consummate professionals. and this is from someone who wants to hate on 9ers...very hard to do, until recently.
In that case he was also responsible for sliding back to 8-8 last year. "FACT" <-- why do people do that? That does jack shit for whatever ponit you are trying to make.
Yeah I don't buy that York and Baalke just decided one day it was time to fire Harbaugh. I would bet that it's a hell of a lot more complicated than anything the media knows or has been told by either side.
My advice would be to save the hatorade for another day. The team is still solid and the backups that will fill the shoes of the departures are tested in all cases except Carradine's. The biggest drop off is that Borland doesn't have the same speed as PWilly. That could hurt if Bowman doesn't come back in the same form. I'll add what I saw from Lynch last season and the youth in the secondary and say the D will actually have more talent than last year.
I'm a total skeptic. So the sky is falling for me now that Harbs is gone. Let's not forget the HC is a D guy hired from within. This should add some continuity on the D side of the ball. The new DC, while relatively new to the organization, has a proven track record. And Chryst, probably the wild card out of the top three coaching positions, has been with the team for the past 4 years. There is a skein of continuity at work here. If you couldn't already tell I'm a die-hard Harbs fan. Now that the FO dumped him I'm being a Chicken Little over it.
...maybe I've just talked myself into believing there is a chance this will work out. And MikeyV, maybe you're right about Baalke and York. They would both get some consideration under a "genius" headline if this season sees double digit wins along with a playoff berth again.
It's a fact that players knew Harbs was being fired before the end of the season arrived. FACT!
Letting it be known that the coach is getting fired at the end of the season is a great way to demotivate players. FACT!
And that's factually a fact proven by the best head shrinkers to have ever picked up a legal pad and pen while sitting in a big cushy chair next to a comfy couch. FACT!
P.S. Please don't tell my you're one of those fans who expects a team to have a winning record every year? Of course the team slid back to 8-8. It's hard as hell to keep a team competing at a high level every year. That's why the 9ers of the 1980s and 1990s were so great.
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